Re: [Wikidata] Weekly Summary #216

[Thad Guidry]

Thanks for this Andy !

Yeah, having inaccurate data can hurt (the deadline is now), but having no
data filled (unused properties) doesn't seem to hurt anyone, its just a
disappointment typically :-)

Great page there that I did not know existed, so thanks again Andy.

-Thad
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Re: [Wikidata] Weekly Summary #216

[Andy Mabbett]

On 11 June 2018 at 17:46, Thad Guidry  wrote:

> I notice the listing of "Properties awaiting widespread use", possibly to
> try to encourage usage, and I applaud that...but if usage never seems to
> happen for whatever reason...

The principles of en.Wikipedia's "no deadline" essay seem to apply:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NODEADLINE

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Re: [Wikidata] Weekly Summary #216

[David Abián]

Related discussion about the idea of requiring some examples on property
proposals:
.

Off-topic PS: Wikidata has always been LOD, it just wasn't represented
in the lod-cloud.net diagram. :-)


El 11/06/18 a las 19:55, Andra Waagmeester escribió:
> Why is there a need to delete them? Properties went through a proposal
> cycle and I would be very cautious with deleting those properties since
> Wikidata properties can be used outside the Wikidata ecosystem.
> Especially since Wikidata is now part of the LOD. 

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Re: [Wikidata] Weekly Summary #216

[Thad Guidry]

Andra,

Great Point !  Yes, if that is the general mantra...then it would be wise
to put that kind of tone on that Wiki page about properties.

Thanks !
-Thad

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:55 PM Andra Waagmeester  wrote:

> Why is there a need to delete them? Properties went through a proposal
> cycle and I would be very cautious with deleting those properties since
> Wikidata properties can be used outside the Wikidata ecosystem. Especially
> since Wikidata is now part of the LOD.
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:21 PM, Yaroslav Blanter 
> wrote:
>
>> I would say if the property has been unused for some time, nominate it
>> for deletion and see whether there is consensus the property is not needed.
>> I do not think there are any particular criteria.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Yaroslav
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Thad Guidry 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Yaroslav, but ... you didn't answer my question ? :-)   What is
>>> the criteria typically used or kinda agreed upon for "unused properties" ?
>>>
>>> -Thad
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:50 AM Yaroslav Blanter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Thad,

 properties can be proposed for deletion and, actually, get deleted.

 However, when a property is approved there is usually a reasonable
 discussion showing the potential of its application. If it can be applied
 to multiple items it does not get approved.

 Cheers
 Yaroslav


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Re: [Wikidata] Weekly Summary #216

[Andra Waagmeester]

Why is there a need to delete them? Properties went through a proposal
cycle and I would be very cautious with deleting those properties since
Wikidata properties can be used outside the Wikidata ecosystem. Especially
since Wikidata is now part of the LOD.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:21 PM, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> I would say if the property has been unused for some time, nominate it for
> deletion and see whether there is consensus the property is not needed. I
> do not think there are any particular criteria.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Thad Guidry  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Yaroslav, but ... you didn't answer my question ? :-)   What is
>> the criteria typically used or kinda agreed upon for "unused properties" ?
>>
>> -Thad
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:50 AM Yaroslav Blanter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Thad,
>>>
>>> properties can be proposed for deletion and, actually, get deleted.
>>>
>>> However, when a property is approved there is usually a reasonable
>>> discussion showing the potential of its application. If it can be applied
>>> to multiple items it does not get approved.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Yaroslav
>>>
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Re: [Wikidata] Weekly Summary #216

[Yaroslav Blanter]

I would say if the property has been unused for some time, nominate it for
deletion and see whether there is consensus the property is not needed. I
do not think there are any particular criteria.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Thad Guidry  wrote:

> Thanks Yaroslav, but ... you didn't answer my question ? :-)   What is the
> criteria typically used or kinda agreed upon for "unused properties" ?
>
> -Thad
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:50 AM Yaroslav Blanter 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thad,
>>
>> properties can be proposed for deletion and, actually, get deleted.
>>
>> However, when a property is approved there is usually a reasonable
>> discussion showing the potential of its application. If it can be applied
>> to multiple items it does not get approved.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Yaroslav
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikidata] Weekly Summary #216

[Thad Guidry]

Thanks Yaroslav, but ... you didn't answer my question ? :-)   What is the
criteria typically used or kinda agreed upon for "unused properties" ?

-Thad

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:50 AM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> Hi Thad,
>
> properties can be proposed for deletion and, actually, get deleted.
>
> However, when a property is approved there is usually a reasonable
> discussion showing the potential of its application. If it can be applied
> to multiple items it does not get approved.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
>
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Re: [Wikidata] Weekly Summary #216

[Yaroslav Blanter]

Hi Thad,

properties can be proposed for deletion and, actually, get deleted.

However, when a property is approved there is usually a reasonable
discussion showing the potential of its application. If it can be applied
to multiple items it does not get approved.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:46 PM, Thad Guidry  wrote:

> Curious,
>
> I notice the listing of "Properties awaiting widespread use", possibly to
> try to encourage usage, and I applaud that...but if usage never seems to
> happen for whatever reason...
>
> Do unused properties ever get deprecated after a really long time ?  What
> is that criteria to deprecate them ?
>
> If that is known... it would be nice to have that mentioned in a section
> here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Properties
>
> Thanks in advance !
> -Thad
>
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Re: [Wikidata] Weekly Summary #216

[Thad Guidry]

Curious,

I notice the listing of "Properties awaiting widespread use", possibly to
try to encourage usage, and I applaud that...but if usage never seems to
happen for whatever reason...

Do unused properties ever get deprecated after a really long time ?  What
is that criteria to deprecate them ?

If that is known... it would be nice to have that mentioned in a section
here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Properties

Thanks in advance !
-Thad
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