Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-10-04 Thread simonfj
Thanks Steve, I'm glad you changed the header of this one as it's THE most important discussion WE can have. This belief of being able to change a fundamentally flawed (education) system by competition is possibly the thing which retains the status quo. Your logic is that user pays so a

Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-10-03 Thread simonfj
You have no idea how often I said get their act into gear, until I got to understand their position. It's not that anyone wants to be a firewall. It's simply that just as the network architecture moved from mainframe/dumb terminal to client/server a few decades ago, now it's moving to this

[WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-10-02 Thread simonfj
That's good. I'm with you here. But it's s different on the other side of the Atlantic, and the developing world of course. Don't find many for-profits, unless it's the big brands. It's very 'user pays' at your/my end. It's 'public right' elsewhere, including the OE world. We have these

Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-10-02 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:32 PM, simonfj simo...@cols.com.au wrote: That's good. We have these expectations created by the web, and the institutionlized users of public institutions haven't a clue of how to have a discussion with their ISP = NREN. And vice versa. All these high priests/human

Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-10-02 Thread simonfj
That's a nice one to hear. She's in an interesting position with her company ATiT being in Belguim. And across (now and past) so many projects like MEDEA and EUscreen,as well as the edu ones like http://www.e-view-project.eu/ and visced. So her experience will span our two perspectives. I'll

[WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-10-01 Thread Steve Foerster
Simon wrote: Well, looking at their next get together, where CIO still play the high priests, it hasn't changed that much. But you know how it works. One can't change an institution from the outside. Perhaps not directly, but you can set up a competing institution that is too successful to be

[WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-09-30 Thread simonfj
Hi patrcia, You wouldn't like to pop in on the Educause group on LinkedIn would you? It's getting to be a bit of problem with all these remote channels being built around brands like 'wikieducator'. The discussion by other global communty builders isn't hard to find. The discussion is top of

Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-09-30 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Simon, Have submitted a request to join the Educause group on LinkedIn -- thanks for the suggestion. Historically, Educause have been a little behind the open education curve when compared to others, but its great to see growing interest in open education from this group. W On Sat, Oct 1,

Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-09-30 Thread simonfj
Hiya, Well, looking at their next get together, where CIO still play the high priests, it hasn't changed that much. But you know how it works. One can't change an institution from the outside. BTW. Ive found someone who you'd love.

Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook

2011-09-30 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Simon, Its a small world -- I had the pleasure of meeting Sally at the EFQUEL innovation forum last month. I'm also helping out on the VISCEDhttp://www.virtualcampuses.eu/index.php/Main_Page project as a member of the advisory board, W On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:41 PM, simonfj