[WikiEducator] L4C for students

2008-09-17 Thread Peter
Here is a good paper on why it is important for students to be the content developers. Should we have the students work through the L4C workshops and have a similar course to help educators to facilitate the creation of student generated content? http://www.e-mentor.edu.pl/_xml/wydania/21/467.pdf

[WikiEducator] Re: L4C for students

2008-09-17 Thread Wayne
Hi Peter, Not too mention the educational value of community service. I have children in both elementary and high school here in BC and at both levels there are community service hours built into the curriculum. Linking student-generated content with community service is a great way to combine

[WikiEducator] Re: L4C for students

2008-09-17 Thread NELLIE DEUTSCH
Hi Peter, I totally agree. I will be encouraging grade 11 and 12 high school students at Ort Gutman http://www.wikieducator.org/Ort_Gutman_High_School to be adding content on WE. I hope other WE members can join in and give a hand. Thank you. Nellie On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Peter [EMAIL

[WikiEducator] Re: L4C for students

2008-09-17 Thread NELLIE DEUTSCH
Wayne, Count me in! Nellie On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, Not too mention the educational value of community service. I have children in both elementary and high school here in BC and at both levels there are community service hours built into

[WikiEducator] another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Leigh Blackall
MIT keep missing the issue with their licenses! http://mitpress.mit.edu/opening_up_education/ -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Randy Fisher
How ironic! Someone should write an opinion piece in a highly regarded publication to draw attention to the irony, and some might say, hypocrisy. - Randy On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: MIT keep missing the issue with their licenses!

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Wayne
Yeah Leigh, I don't get either :-( I would love to hear the rationales from these leading OER advocates who publish works on the topic of OER under a ND license. Over the last year I have received two invitations to publish research articles/chapters in special editions dealing with the topic

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Stephen Downes
Wayne wrote: Yeah Leigh, I don't get either :-( I would love to hear the rationales from these leading OER advocates who publish works on the topic of OER under a ND license. I would guess they have a commercial distribution deal with Scribd. That would explain the ND - they don't want a

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Wayne
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 20:30 -0300, Stephen Downes wrote: I would guess they have a commercial distribution deal with Scribd. That would explain the ND - they don't want a (more usable) HTML version out there diluting the marketing impact. If I was a betting man -- you'd have my bet :-).

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Leigh Blackall
Hmm, its a big problem my end, because if and when some of my colleagues see the use of this and other restrictive licenses, all they see is that its Creative Commons and think that equates to OER... I am sensing a rise in the use of restrictions as the 2nd wave of OER comes on board without fully

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Wayne
Hi Leigh, That's a real challenge -- but surmountable through good education and advice to help folk take an informed decision. By setting a leading example and remaining true to our values -- we'll win many over to our side :-). Cheers Wayne On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 11:34 +1200, Leigh Blackall

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Leigh Blackall
o oh.. I can feel us going back into that largely unresolved battle we had last year. http://wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall/Open_educational_resources_and_practices#Copyright I think my words from last year address some of my issues that still stand... but specifically to moral tone, in the

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Brent
Isn't that the page that all the great discussion got lost in the move to Liquid Threads? brent. ps. I agree with you. That paragraph is awful and you should remove it immediately. They have regular discussion pages over there too so you might even be able to get into some good discussion on

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Erik Moeller
The wording today was introduced here: http://freedomdefined.org/index.php?title=Definition/Unstablediff=2254oldid=2251 It's definitely more radical than it needs to be, and I'd be comfortable with toning it down a bit - Leigh, why don't you start this discussion on the freedomdefined.org site

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Leigh Blackall
Erik, there was already a discussion about this, but no action: http://freedomdefined.org/Talk:Definition#.22god-like_creators.22.3F On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wording today was introduced here:

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Erik Moeller
I've rebooted the discussion and invited some of the contributors to the definition to participate: http://freedomdefined.org/Talk:Definition#Preamble_for_1.1 -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Hi Leigh, That's a good point -- I do agree that paragraph is somewhat radical, particularly to the uninformed and the document needs to be refined. As Erik suggests let's get involved on the discussions to refine this paragraph over at freedomdefined.org. Fortunately its an open community

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Thanks Erik, I've posted some feedback on the preamble here: http://freedomdefined.org/Talk:Definition#Preamble_for_1.1 Appreciate your speedy response in opening up the discussion again. A testament to the open approach. Lets hope that the WikiEducator community will be active in helping

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Leigh Blackall
Have also added my bit to the discussion page... seems pretty cut and dry though. Not sure what needs to be discussed, but let's see and I guess its only polite. Randy said: How ironic! Someone should write an opinion piece in a highly regarded publication to draw attention to the irony, and

[WikiEducator] Re: another text on OER, but not an OER!!

2008-09-17 Thread Wayne Mackintosh
Good question, I'd suggest posting that on the freedomdefined site and lets see how they respond. Cheers Wayne -Original Message- From: wikieducator@googlegroups.com on behalf of Leigh Blackall Sent: Wed 9/17/2008 10:36 PM To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: