Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote:  Trying to hammer every peg into one of just two holes is bound to cause problems. Then there's the issue of people who are inter-sexed (born with mixed or absent gender-specific organs, example being [[Jim Sinclair]]),

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 2:49 AM, David Goodmandgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: snip The only paid references that should be removed are those which merely duplicate exactly what is available from other sources.  For example, if a story is reprinted  in many newspapers, we should try to find one

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: http://www.dailylit.com/tags/wikipedia-tours Thank you for that link. I had thought to do something like that myself. I have been saved the time now. ___ WikiEN-l mailing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread KillerChihuahua
I agree completely with David, and if David is misunderstaning, please explain. Your comment in an earlier email that Most people seem to fail to understand to what I refer. certainly applies to me, as I have no idea what you're talking about. I also cannot see why you're being coy rather than

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/9 wjhon...@aol.com: About Women on Wikipedia, I think famous is probably problematic, like list of short women, is too much based on a judgement call. And a list of all women on wikipedia would be too enormous. However I would think no one would object to something like Women by

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/9  wjhon...@aol.com: About Women on Wikipedia, I think famous is probably problematic, like list of short women, is too much based on a judgement call. And a list of all women on wikipedia would be too enormous.

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/9 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: Tags and categories are different. Ideally, you would have both, or a clear of idea of what would be primary tags (what we call categories) and what are descriptive tags. Oh yeah. But in practice, most of our ridiculously specific sub-sub-cats

Re: [WikiEN-l] Sure sign that Britannica is dead meat: it's turned into a patent troll

2009-08-09 Thread geni
2009/8/9 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: http://is.gd/296dF - d. Patent dates to 1993 about when Encarta first appeared. I don't think that Britannica could quite be considered dead meet at that point. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Emily Monroe
Just because a vanishingly small minority of people can't be classified as male or female, that is a reason to not bother doing such classifications? If that was a valid argument, many of these information forms that people fill in wouldn't ask for your gender. Those forms usually

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
Cacharoth has it correct. My response was in three parts, part one only refers to those items which *solely* have an online life and no offline life whatsoever. That first part is what a few people have objected to, but they objected to something which I did not say. Let's say that someone

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-09 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: The problem being discussed in this thread would be solved by the feature (much-desired by Commons) of turning categories into tags - so that e.g. [[Category:Left-handed dead Jewish lesbian presidents of the United States]]

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 73, Issue 28

2009-08-09 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:04:58 -0400, wjhon...@{gag,vomit,retch}aol.com wrote: You have completely ignored the requirement that I am here *solely* referring to items which live, online, behind subscription walls. If the item is free, then it does not. So that removes the majority of your

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 73, Issue 28

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Daniel R. Tobiasd...@tobias.name wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:04:58 -0400, wjhon...@{gag,vomit,retch}aol.com wrote: You have completely ignored the requirement that I am here *solely* referring to items which live, online, behind subscription walls.  If the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:27:16 -0400, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: You're right. Several years ago, we had discussed this very issue. That nothing free is really free is you have to pay to travel *to* it. IIRC we basically agreed that traveling about, is just part of your normal life. So if I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Daniel R. Tobiasd...@tobias.name wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:27:16 -0400, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: You're right.  Several years ago, we had discussed this very issue. That nothing free is really free is you have to pay to travel *to* it. IIRC we basically

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 73, Issue 28

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/9/2009 6:26:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, d...@tobias.name writes: How come online for-pay stuff is to be excluded by your proposed rule, but not on-paper for pay stuff? Printed books, magazines, and newspapers are not generally free. -- Again this is not

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/9/2009 6:40:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, d...@tobias.name writes: So if I wanted to cite some rare book which I happened to know of only one copy in existence, located at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station in Antarctica, it would be up to you to arrange travel there

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Emily Monroe
Will, If I may ask a question. What if I live in a place where there isn't any library for hours (or days even) via whatever transportation I have available? What if I have a library...but it's under-resourced, under-paid and there's no way I can really get books or newsletter to help cite

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/9/2009 7:42:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: What if I live in a place where there isn't any library for hours (or days even) via whatever transportation I have available? What if I have a library...but it's under-resourced, under-paid and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread Ray Saintonge
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/9/2009, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: What if I live in a place where there isn't any library for hours (or days even) via whatever transportation I have available? What if I have a library...but it's under-resourced, under-paid and there's

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia was founded for OR

2009-08-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:51 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Skepticism rears it's ugly head. I just don't think that motivations are ever that straight forward. Everyone loves to tell a simple tale like The idea came to me one day when X, so that night I decided to Y. Usually, though, we all have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Usability testing (Try Beta)

2009-08-09 Thread Steve Bennett
I'm trying it. It looks a lot like Vector, which I was already using. Haven't really made up my mind about Vector/Acai. Seems like a step in the right direction, but it's not really earth shatteringly better. But then, usability is not really about helping experienced power-users... Steve On

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-09 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/9/2009 9:59:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sainto...@telus.net writes: Most of these rare works will be in large cities where there will also be a concentration of people available to verify the material. For much of our material the acceptance criterion validly