Re: [WikiEN-l] Suggestion on how referencing system could be improved

2009-09-04 Thread stevertigo
Gwern Branwengwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Larsenlarsen.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: If I may make a suggestion? That syntax is kind of clunky - maybe we could have a simpler syntax, something like '{{ref|foo}}' '{{note|foo}: text'... Reviving a year-old

Re: [WikiEN-l] Suggestion on how referencing system could be improved

2009-09-04 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:54 AM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote: Gwern Branwengwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Larsenlarsen.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: If I may make a suggestion? That syntax is kind of clunky - maybe we could have a simpler syntax, something

[WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Joseph Reagle
One of the best responses to some of the hyperbole out there about the closing, failure, end of WP is the figure of how many articles are actually locked down in any way, however, this is a difficult figure to authoritatively find/claim. There's Main and Featured [1] of course, about 11

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread FT2
Sorry, no. A quick look at the protection log shows many more protections of articles as well as other pages; listing in the protected pages categories almost seems an exception when these are clicked on. As well a wide range of pages are salted - deleted then protected to prevent recreation.

[WikiEN-l] Why the semantic web needs human review

2009-09-04 Thread David Gerard
Unfortunate results from trying to extract meaning from Wikipedia text by machine: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/02/netbase-thinks-you-can-get-rid-of-jews-with-alcohol-and-salt/ - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread FT2
Okay, found out why. You need to account for [[Category:Wikipedia pages protected due to dispute]] and other protection categories, as well. Pages such as Russell's teapot and Developed country are in there, protected, but not tagged. The root cause seems to be that the category isn't itself a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments

2009-09-04 Thread FT2
How something's framed can shape how it's used. I would never have a comment on this article page, it's pointless and a monitoring nightmare. We'd get arguments and dramas, then we'd be expected to clean them up, BLP and negative material and accused of sheltering one side when we purge them...

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why the semantic web needs human review

2009-09-04 Thread Stephen Bain
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunate results from trying to extract meaning from Wikipedia text by machine: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/02/netbase-thinks-you-can-get-rid-of-jews-with-alcohol-and-salt/ And they've apologised but not fixed

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread FT2
Passed on to WP:AN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Protection_template_issue FT2 On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, found out why. You need to account for [[Category:Wikipedia pages protected due to dispute]] and other

Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments

2009-09-04 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/4 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com: What I would think more likely to succeed? A Help us improve tab, not a comment tab Specifically with a header and edit notice If you can see a way to improve this article, or better more up to date information, let us know! +1 Brilliant! I also might

[WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-04 Thread Carcharoth
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8237271.stm Interesting story there. Hadn't realised there was even a lawsuit in progress. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments

2009-09-04 Thread Bod Notbod
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:47 PM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: What I would think more likely to succeed? A Help us improve tab, not a comment tab One of the proposals on the strategy wiki has recommended an adjustment to talk pages. I added that perhaps the tab should be called

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday 04 September 2009, Joseph Reagle wrote: One of the best responses to some of the hyperbole out there about the closing, failure, end of WP is the figure of how many articles are actually locked down in any way, however, this is a difficult figure to authoritatively find/claim.

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: Nashville Meetup

2009-09-04 Thread David Gerard
Forwarded. Anyone here in range of Tennessee? - d. 2009/9/3 Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com: Details about the meetup in Nashville Tennessee over Labor Day weekend, Sept 5th and 6th. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Nashville Y'all come on down for some good times :-)

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Durova
Try this instead to refute the Wikipedia is dying argument. Wikipedia's featured picture program started in May 2004. It took until 30 December 2007 to reach 1000 featured pictures. We're on track to reach number 2000 within a week: currently at 1973 FPs with 63 active nominations. It would be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Joseph Reaglerea...@mit.edu wrote: On Friday 04 September 2009, Joseph Reagle wrote: One of the best responses to some of the hyperbole out there about the closing, failure, end of WP is the figure of how many articles are actually locked down in any way,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Tony Sidaway
I'm undertaking to have all article and talk page semiprotections on Wikipedia reviewed. The process I'm using is to enter a brief proposal on the article talk page and contact the protecting sysop. The idea is that we discuss whether to unprotect the article or talk page and watch it vigilantly.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Tony Sidawaytonysida...@gmail.com wrote: I'm undertaking to have all article and talk page semiprotections on Wikipedia reviewed.  The process I'm using is to enter a brief proposal on the article talk page and contact the protecting sysop. The idea is that we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread wjhonson
Tony gets the Gary Cooper award for this week. Or in particular the Meet John Doe award http://knol.google.com/k/chair-potato/gary-cooper-movies-on-youtube/hyujx7mco9jp/32 -Original Message- From: Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Tony Sidaway
On 9/5/09, Phil Nash pn007a2...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I took a quick look the other day at the categories of unsourced articles, which go back to December 2006; to be honest, I don't currently have the time or will myself to trawl through what is a Sisyphean task. Even limiting that to BLP

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia reaches 3 millionth article

2009-09-04 Thread Tony Sidaway
On 8/23/09, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: I think if we had almost every article you would find in a *single volume* encyclopedia up to featured or good status that would be a great foundation. That isn't going to happen, simply because we don't have enough people interested in, or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments

2009-09-04 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/4 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com: What I would think more likely to succeed? A Help us improve tab, not a comment tab Specifically with a header and edit notice If you can see a way to improve this article, or better more

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Risker
Tony is right that these lists of long-term and indefinitely protected or semi-protected pages should be reviewed periodically. The place to find this information is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports There are about 3000 indefinitely permanently protected talk pages;

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Tony Sidaway
On 9/5/09, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: There are some opportunities to improve practices here, and to really take a look and decide which articles (and rarely, article talk pages) need this indefinite protection. At the same time, I really do believe that if an admin is going to reduce