[WikiEN-l] Office hours tomorrow, Thursday April 22, 2009

2010-04-21 Thread Cary Bass
Hello all! Tomorrow's office hours will feature Naoko Komura and the User Interface team, who will be discussing the Vector interface and the changes the new interface will bring. If you don't know Naoko you can read about about her at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Naoko_Komura. Office

Re: [WikiEN-l] UIC Journal: Evaluating quality control of Wikipedia's feature[d] articles

2010-04-21 Thread Delirium
On 04/19/2010 10:46 AM, Nathan wrote: I wonder if there might be a subtle bias playing into these reviews. Perhaps if reviewers begin with the assumption that the article was written by amateur hobbyists, that influences the outcome. If Lindsey went back to them and let them know that the

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A lot of so called IPA out there is created by Americans for Americans and expect that certain sounds can be expressed by the ordinary Latin characters. The consequence is that such polution makes the whole of IPA hard to use. Consequently I argue that in order to save the usefulness of IPA

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Emily Monroe
I think it's better that Wikipedia be usable to laypeople, and not be in academic savior mode. Emily On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, A lot of so called IPA out there is created by Americans for Americans and expect that certain sounds can be expressed by the

Re: [WikiEN-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread stevertigo
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: What's the point of using a phonetic alphabet that 95% of our readership can't interpret? If the idea is to help readers understand how a word is pronounced in English, it should actually be useful to the majority of readers and

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread stevertigo
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, A lot of so called IPA out there is created by Americans for Americans and expect that certain sounds can be expressed by the ordinary Latin characters. The consequence is that such polution makes the whole

Re: [WikiEN-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Emily Monroe
Of course, this requires people actually learn the IPA. This is more difficult for some than others; neuroatypicalities can make it harder or easier, and polyglots can probably learn a lot easier. I don't know if it translates well into braille. I wish I did. I'm concerned that those who

Re: [WikiEN-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread quiddity
As the page banners say, it's a recurring question. These are some of the relevant links: Discussions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:IPA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:International_Phonetic_Alphabet The templates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:IPA-en

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: What's the point of using a phonetic alphabet that 95% of our readership can't interpret? If the idea is to help readers understand how a word is pronounced in English, it should actually be useful to the majority of readers and

Re: [WikiEN-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: The idea behind IPA is, that there be a single standard alphabet that everyone can use which can help us all communicate a bit better when speaking a new language or just using a term from another language. It's basic and

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread stevertigo
Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: We ought to have a speech synthesizer that extension that provides clickable audio playback for marked up IPA. Great idea. Is there still some hangup about needing to transcribe IPA to ASCII, or can these things be done in UTF-8 now? -Stevertigo

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 81, Issue 28

2010-04-21 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:45:27 -0700, stevertigo wrote: 1) As a rule, all language wikis should use International Phonetic Alphabet as their standard pronunciation scheme. Very few appear to actually do. 2) All language wikis should attempt to use IPA to pronounce the endonym of a foreign

Re: [WikiEN-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread stevertigo
Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I have a hard time understanding this claim that using IPA improves communication. Surely a device intended to facilitate communication should make accessibility its first priority? OK, its not about communication per se, its just a transcription system for

Re: [WikiEN-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Wednesday 21 April 2010, Nathan wrote: What's the point of using a phonetic alphabet that 95% of our readership can't interpret? I've never been able to. I always hoped that the theory was that from the IPA, you could translate it into some scheme that would make sense in different

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Emily Monroe
How is this going to work out? Will it slow down loading for a lot of people? Is there any other reason somebody can think of why there isn't more devices that support IPA? Emily On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:48 PM, stevertigo wrote: Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: We ought to have a