Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread Emily Monroe
For what's it's worth, Jimbo has now limited the powers of the Founder flag. Emily On May 9, 2010, at 7:58 PM, AGK wrote: What a thoroughly unpleasant business. AGK ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:58 AM, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: What a thoroughly unpleasant business. There is now a BBC news story linked from their main news page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10104946.stm Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 82, Issue 14

2010-05-10 Thread Howie Fung
We are planning to run a central notice letting all users know that the changes are on the way. This will let us capture the majority of users who aren't on either the lists or on the other places we've posted the message (Village Pump and Admin's Noticeboard). Howie On 5/9/10 5:00 AM,

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2010-05-10 Thread Samuel Klein
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread Ken Arromdee
It's obvious some of Jimbo's idea is ill-considered. But what bothers me is the responses that this violates some kind of blanket policy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we may not remove useful information for any reason. Wikipedia is not censored, we are not allowed to have exceptions. I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 May 2010 23:14, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: I suggest that this is a piss-poor way to create Wikipedia policy.  There's a substantial contingent of policy wonks who take any blanket policy statement as gospel and use it as an excuse to avoid even *trying* to figure out if

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: I suggest that this is a piss-poor way to create Wikipedia policy.  There's a substantial contingent of policy wonks who take any blanket policy statement as gospel and use it as an excuse to avoid even *trying* to figure

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:21 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2010 23:14, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: I suggest that this is a piss-poor way to create Wikipedia policy.  There's a substantial contingent of policy wonks who take any blanket policy statement as

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 May 2010 23:39, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: The problem there is the name. If you call it censorship (which it isn't) then people oppose it. If you don't call it censorship, people will still wave the not censored banner. The idea of Wikipedia not See also the talk

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:49 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2010 23:39, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: The problem there is the name. If you call it censorship (which it isn't) then people oppose it. If you don't call it censorship, people will still wave

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 May 2010 23:53, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On the talk page, I mostly see people calling it out for the censorship stalking horse it was. You can tag a goat a very special sort of chicken, but people will see through that. So you are saying anything labelled content

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 82, Issue 14

2010-05-10 Thread stevertigo
Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote: We are planning to run a central notice letting all users know that the changes are on the way.  This will let us capture the majority of users who aren't on either the lists or on the other places we've posted the message (Village Pump and Admin's

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread Carcharoth
Actually, I should quote from the current page, not the one from 2 years ago! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IMAGE#Offensive_images Including information about offensive material is part of Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission. Wikipedia is not censored. However, images that can be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread stevertigo
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: OK. Would you like to try writing something that would be suitable for use as image content guidelines, or at least being * Explicit sexual content * Explicit medical content * Images of identifiable people * Images depicting death * Images

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread stevertigo
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: But when it comes to the human body and physiological functions, it is possible (and in my opinion, better) to limit the number of images to the best pictures and those that *really* improve an article, rather than accept everything and hope the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread David Gerard
On 11 May 2010 00:12, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Can you explain why Wikipedia and Wikimedia tends to avoid having explicit guidelines on such matters? It's a gross NPOV violation. My position is that a single sentence (Do not place shocking or explicit pictures into an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Mon, 10 May 2010, David Gerard wrote: On the talk page, I mostly see people calling it out for the censorship stalking horse it was. You can tag a goat a very special sort of chicken, but people will see through that. Well, it is a form of censorship, but just removing someone's private