Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Nathan wrote: Obviously it would be an impossible task to study all potential sources and make a proactive determination of reliability. We hope to some extent that folks citing academic sources have vetted them in some way as to their credibility, but with mainstream news sources even that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Shmuel Weidberg
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Though he remains the president of the Wikimedia Foundation, ... 'He had the highest level of control, he was our leader,' a source told FoxNews.com. When asked who was in charge now, the source said, 'No one. It’s

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Shmuel Weidberg wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Though he remains the president of the Wikimedia Foundation, ... 'He had the highest level of control, he was our leader,' a source told FoxNews.com. When asked who was in charge now, the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Shmuel Weidberg ezra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Though he remains the president of the Wikimedia Foundation, ... 'He had the highest level of control, he was our leader,' a source told

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 May 2010 14:57, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: You could make an argument that the article might give an uninvolved party a reasonable feel for the situation, but there still would be effectively no way to incorporate the _facts_ from this article into Wikipedia in a manner

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Charles Matthews
David Gerard wrote: The article is basically not even wrong. And that's because they really don't care, and literally just made up some shit: http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/16/jimmy-wales-fox-news-is-wrong-no-shakeup/ Sources of this type, even if owned by a large media company, need to be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 May 2010 16:32, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I would say the point of the Fox article is the subtext: no one rules the WMF, ergo they would have no way to comply with legal requirements such as a take-down order. NB the subtle solecism free reign (for free

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Charles Matthews
David Gerard wrote: On his SharedKnowing list, Dr Sanger notes he's just joined Wikipedia Review and heartily recommends it to all. Yes, an ideal place to complain about getting blocked from enWP for editing [[Talk:History of Wikipedia]] on the assumption that Wikimedia Commons is part of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread AGK
On 17 May 2010 16:38, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On his SharedKnowing list, Dr Sanger notes he's just joined Wikipedia Review and heartily recommends it to all. I can almost hear the screeching of his axe. AGK ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 16 May 2010, Nathan wrote: Obviously it would be an impossible task to study all potential sources and make a proactive determination of reliability. We hope to some extent that folks citing academic sources have vetted them in some way as to their credibility, but with mainstream news

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Nathan
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: If riddled with errors means has more (frequent) errors than other sources, then this makes some sense. If riddled with errors means has errors that we have recently had our attention called to or has errors that happen

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Ken Arromdee
But I can't say that these points really apply in many cases that we appear to be applying them: We would reject as reliable sources many hobbyist blogs (or even webcomics) with a stronger reputation to preserve, less obviously-compromised motivations, and _significantly_ greater circulation

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread stevertigo
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The article is basically not even wrong. And that's because they really don't care, and literally just made up some shit: http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/16/jimmy-wales- fox-news-is-wrong-no-shakeup/ Sources of this type, even if owned by a large media

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread AGK
On 17 May 2010 20:45, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: when he plainly said in about as many words this was a symbolic gesture to diffuse and refocus criticism Mhrm, that's arguable. The flags that Jimbo relinquished meant that he could no longer do such things as delete Commons images.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Charles Matthews
AGK wrote: On 17 May 2010 20:45, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: when he plainly said in about as many words this was a symbolic gesture to diffuse and refocus criticism Mhrm, that's arguable. The flags that Jimbo relinquished meant that he could no longer do such things as

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these bab ies are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Jimmy isn't the president of the Wikimedia foundation. True, and that's the one really egregious error. Continuing the pattern, A majority of the non-trivial statement of fact in the article are incorrect. has

[WikiEN-l] Pedantry on privileges

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Wow, so he's able to delete content on *one* of the 200+ languages of Wikipedia.  I'd still say the statement is substantially correct.  He used to have unlimited power on every project to do anything.  Now he's administrator

Re: [WikiEN-l] Pedantry on privileges

2010-05-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: snip ISTM that Enwp users are  quite comfortable with Jimmy playing an important role as he has traditionally The changes over time in the role Jimmy plays on en-wikipedia is an interesting question. There is far more

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: Pedantry on privileges

2010-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Wow, so he's able to delete content on *one* of the 200+ languages of Wikipedia. I'd still say the statement is substantially correct. He used to