Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread James Farrar
On 4 June 2011 04:47, Rob gamali...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: Part of it is a matter of degree.  The article on the John Kerry controversy isn't the #2 search for Kerry on the Internet. And whenever people mention this, they

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
I've just tested two searches in google. Rick Santorum had our article on the person in second place and our article on the neologism in third place. For Santorum we again had the second and third spots, but the order was reversed. In both cases Google gave prime place to a website about the

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 June 2011 11:43, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: I've just tested two searches in google. IMPORTANT: when testing Google searches, use another browser where you're logged out and there are no Google cookies! Search results vary *widely* between generic results for

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sat, 4 Jun 2011, WereSpielChequers wrote: But for kerry swift boat the first two hits are both Wikipedia. Anyone searching for that is specifically searching for the controversy, not just searching for Kerry. If the santorum article only showed up when searching for santorum sexual slang

Re: [WikiEN-l] schema.org - anything here for us?

2011-06-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
Thanks for raising this, if the main search engines are collaborating on this together then it will probably work. But it makes me wonder: Are other sites implementing this? Am I correct in thinking that implementing this would further our mission by making relevant parts of our data more likely

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Rob wrote: Part of it is that we're talking about different types of things.  The Kerry controversy is ultimately about factual claims, and therefore whether our article harms John Kerry depends on whether we give undue weight to those claims.  This one isn't about factual

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread Rob
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, Rob wrote: Part of it is that we're talking about different types of things.  The Kerry controversy is ultimately about factual claims, and therefore whether our article harms John Kerry depends on

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread David Levy
Ken Arromdee wrote: Anyone searching for [kerry swift boat] is specifically searching for the controversy, not just searching for Kerry. Kerry has common meanings unrelated to John Kerry on any level (and no common meanings along the lines of the sexual connotation arbitrarily assigned to

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: I see no material distinction preventing us from documenting the matter in a balanced fashion. The trouble is, the article is overwritten. This is not a phenomenon restricted to this article, it is common in many

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread David Levy
Carcharoth wrote: The trouble is, the article is overwritten. To be clear, I'm not endorsing any particular prose (or the absence thereof). I'm addressing Ken Arromdee's assertion that it's impossible to present a balanced article on this subject.