Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Charles Matthews
On 11 March 2012 03:37, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: snip The reason we're starting off by seeing if we can improve quality and inform newbies with Special:NewPages rather than Special:RecentChanges is, firstly, because it's a lot easier to trial there (less stuff going on), and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Charles Matthews
On 11 March 2012 08:56, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: A low barrier to contribution is not a problem. What we are trying to fix is the overwork of patrollers and the fact that new editors go into the article creation process unaware of what to expect and ignorant of policy, which

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Oliver, Yes my criticism of your requiring new authors of new articles to have a familiarity with policy and several references was about what you said you intend this new software to do, not on how close the current prototype is to achieving that. If your intent is other than you said then

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 11 March 2012 09:30, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.comwrote: On 11 March 2012 08:56, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: A low barrier to contribution is not a problem. What we are trying to fix is the overwork of patrollers and the fact that new editors go into the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 11 March 2012 10:36, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Oliver, Yes my criticism of your requiring new authors of new articles to have a familiarity with policy and several references was about what you said you intend this new software to do, not on how close the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone change the password? Those details aren't working for me. Oic, you can create your own account on the labs site. My thoughts: - The choices use the article wizard, create a draft, create this article myself

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Oliver Keyes
Oic, you can create your own account on the labs site. My thoughts: - The choices use the article wizard, create a draft, create this article myself are a bit confusing. Especially the first two - that's a really unusual distinction that doesn't make much sense to me. I'd expect the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: To clarify, it might be a help to state what it is that is apparently broken that you are trying to fix. If it is the existing low barrier to article creation by one-and-all, it is worth pointing out that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great point. In addition to Oliver's explanation on-list, do folks think the descriptions on EN [1][ and MediaWiki.org [[2] are sufficiently clear? The former is meant primarily for the community, and