Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia’s Labor Squeeze and Its Consequences

2010-07-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another outside view of the goings-on in Wikipedia, especially with respect to the current trend toward backing away from the former pure interpretation of the anyone can edit part of your slogan.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?

2010-06-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:59 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: There has never been agreement for more than the 2,000. It will be Wha? The 2000 limit was a technical thing which came later, and not from the community. I don't think it's a bad thing, even outside of the simple

Re: [WikiEN-l] Pending Changes: first press

2010-06-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 June 2010 19:15, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: The objective of this trial isn't to give us good press, it's to persuade the community that this is a useful and viable tool. I couldn't disagree more. The

Re: [WikiEN-l] Pending Changes: first press

2010-06-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Well, part of the objective here is to see whether we get enough encyclopedia-worthy edits to determine if it is worthwhile removing protection. [snip] I couldn't disagree more strongly. If we were making a judgement on the

[WikiEN-l] Problem with the pending changes review screen.

2010-06-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Imagine an article with many revisions and pending changes enabled: A, B, C, D, E, F, G... A is an approved edit. B,C,D,E,F,G are all pending edits. B is horrible vandalism that the subsequent edits did not fix. You are a reviewer, you go to review page by clicking a pending review link. On

Re: [WikiEN-l] Problem with the pending changes review screen.

2010-06-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Imagine an article with many revisions and pending changes enabled: A, B, C, D, E, F, G... [snip] I don't know how to fix this. We could remove the reject button to make it more clear that you use the normal editing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Pending Changes: first press

2010-06-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:19 PM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: On 06/14/2010 06:46 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: On 15/06/2010, MuZemikemuzem...@gmail.com  wrote:  Have there been any other media outlets, blogs, etc. who see Pending  Changes as a loosening of controls? I haven't;

Re: [WikiEN-l] One-sentence explanation of pending changes

2010-06-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 9 June 2010 11:13, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: On the gripping hand, limiting it to BLP's got a consensus. Trying it on for a wider array of articles is really asking for someone to punch you

Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?

2010-06-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:34 AM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: 3.  This set of pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions ...still has the old vocabulary, and still refers to

Re: [WikiEN-l] One-sentence explanation of pending changes

2010-06-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:19 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: We expect a publicity storm around pending changes. Jay doesn't currently plan to do a press release as such, but we're definitely getting ready with talking point sheets and Q+As and a blog post and etc. For obvious

Re: [WikiEN-l] One-sentence explanation of pending changes

2010-06-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you :-) Last sentence: We'll trial it by putting a small number of pages in 'pending changes' instead of locking them. That's still grammatically awkward (= bad) and the obvious question is, which pages? Any pages

Re: [WikiEN-l] One-sentence explanation of pending changes

2010-06-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:48 PM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: [snip] I do have a fear that reporters, who are embedded in institutions with complicated review flows, will bring a lot of baggage to interpreting this, and so will have notions and potential misunderstandings that are

Re: [WikiEN-l] One-sentence explanation of pending changes

2010-06-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:57 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2010 20:55, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: d) it only applies BLP articles Can you identify the origin of this belief?  It's

Re: [WikiEN-l] flagged revisions - autoreviewer even of minor edits

2010-05-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2010 22:00, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote: I suspect that any action by an autoconfirmed user will automatically accept something of any actions not yet reviewed. Will those

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: Good question. I should say that I have no inside knowledge on this project, and am speaking purely as a random Wikipedian who does web stuff for a living. That's just my educated guess, both on ratios and clicks.

Re: [WikiEN-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Relatedly, a proposal! Search box, two buttons. One, search or go, acts as the old mixed-search go button - it is a direct leap to that title, else falling back on the search. The second button is advanced; it takes

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Shmuel Weidberg ezra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Though he remains the president of the Wikimedia Foundation, ... 'He had the highest level of control, he was our leader,' a source told

[WikiEN-l] Pedantry on privileges

2010-05-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Wow, so he's able to delete content on *one* of the 200+ languages of Wikipedia.  I'd still say the statement is substantially correct.  He used to have unlimited power on every project to do anything.  Now he's administrator

[WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
[ simulcasted to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_reliable_sources#Reliable_sources.E2.80.94_some_of_these_babies_are_ugly ] Though he remains the president of the Wikimedia Foundation, ... 'He had the highest level of control, he was our leader,' a source told FoxNews.com.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reliable sources— some of these babi es are ugly

2010-05-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:28 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I think Charles was saying that admins aren't always good at dealing with the public. Well it's journalistically improper to use admins as sources. At the very least they would have

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/05/2010, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: I prefer the old location for the search box, yes. But I think that's because I'm _used_ to it being on the left. I think the usability team gave a rationale at one

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:56 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: Long-term, we're aiming to compile all knowledge into one freely-accessible location. We shouldn't infringe on that mission, even if we displease some easily-upset persons along the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: Jimbo's explanation? bad press: - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/057896.html In related news, there is a proposal to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged protection and patrolled revisions

2010-05-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: The message currently delivered by the software is: Edits must be reviewed before being published on this page. And yet the edit

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged protection and patrolled revisions

2010-05-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:22 PM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: We discussed this at some length today, and I wanted to update everybody. Who is the we in your message? (I'm just asking because its entirely ambiguous, since you were quoting me it looks like I was involved, though I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged protection and patrolled revisions

2010-05-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: snip having things change mid-edit could be a bit disconcerting! I've just remembered that in some implementations of this, almost

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged protection and patrolled revisions

2010-05-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:11 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 May 2010 17:59, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: As the software currently stands, however,  it generates some rather obnoxious messages advising you that your edits won't be visible until they've been

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged protection and patrolled revisions

2010-05-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Anthony wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: If you haven't caught it— my strongly held and long standing recommendation is that we make the process as invisible as possible: By overloading the cookie that is set when a user (inc. anons) edits we can switch these people

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged protection and patrolled revisions

2010-05-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Anthony wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't see what why it is advantageous to not tell an anonymous editor that their change will only be visible once it has been approved. Some might even be glad that we're finally bringing in a peer review system for the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged protection and patrolled revisions

2010-05-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:38 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 May 2010 20:34, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Regardless of the notice part— it sound like you support making anons see the draft version of a page (all pages?) after they've edited? The two issues

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Flagged Protection update for April 29

2010-04-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:24 PM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: My understanding, possibly incorrect, is that we can't do that. Because most pages for non-logged-in users are served from caches, most

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Flagged Protection update for April 29

2010-04-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: As requested, here's the weekly Flagged Protection update. We continue to work on UI display issues and on getting up a Labs version of the German Wikipedia. We're pretty close to release, and we believe only minor UI

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: What's the point of using a phonetic alphabet that 95% of our readership can't interpret? If the idea is to help readers understand how a word is pronounced in English, it should actually be useful to the majority of readers and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Citizendium dead?

2010-04-18 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 April 2010 19:54, Philip Sandifer snowspin...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2010, at 8:26 AM, David Gerard wrote: Wikipedia, and its community and bureaucracy, sucks in oh so many ways. But it does in fact work

Re: [WikiEN-l] Citizendium dead?

2010-04-18 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a perfect metric, but it is probably the best one we can actually measure. A metric we can't measure is completely useless. When choosing a metric you always have to compromise between ease of measurement

Re: [WikiEN-l] Is a book cover in a Signpost book review an acceptable exemption from the non-free content policy?

2010-04-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to get a little wider input on this issue.  Tony1 is reviewing a recent academic book about Wikipedia for the Signpost, and we'd like to include an image of the cover in the review:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Resolving conflicts and reaching consensus

2010-04-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: A common way to stifle discussion about nuance in any situation is to refer to old discussions on similar ideas and say we already discussed this and got consensus. Keeping an ancient history of all past debates could

Re: [WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-03-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Of your three points, I don't really find anything to agree with. Taking the attitide that External links is the name of a Further reading section for reading that happens to be online, what exactly _are_

[WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-03-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: And further reading sections can point the way for future expansions of the article, or for the reader to go and find out more about the topic. Carcharoth That is why I despise the war on external links and further

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htmIt's obvious of the peak in January of 2007. What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has

Re: [WikiEN-l] Removing unsourced information

2010-01-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Apoc 2400 apoc2...@gmail.com wrote: It is commonly said that anyone can remove unsourced information, and that the burden lies on the editor who wants to include information to provide a source. I have always taken this to mean that if I think something is wrong

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why we need a good WYSIWYG editor

2010-01-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:23 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Edit completion rate - someone not merely clicking edit, but actually editing and hitting save - goes *way* up. Based on Wikia's experience: http://wikiangela.com/blog/end-of-2009/#comment-26732

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why we need a good WYSIWYG editor

2010-01-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:50 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/4 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com: So lets not confuse the usability goals or making editing SIMPLE, NON-INTIMIDATING, and DISCOVERABLE all of which are very much wiki concepts, with the values of WYSIWYG which

Re: [WikiEN-l] The story of an article

2010-01-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Autoconfirmed status of accounts affects ability to move pages, but not ability to create articles. And upload images and edit semi-protected (of course). ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] The story of an article

2010-01-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:51 AM, altally altal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Apoc 2400 apoc2...@gmail.com wrote: This goes in the same category as: Anyone with good intentions can get through the 6757836 step New Article Wizard, so it's not too complicated It doesn't

Re: [WikiEN-l] The story of an article

2010-01-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:25 PM, altally altal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Apoc 2400 apoc2...@gmail.com wrote: Fascinating! I note how the article Celilo Falls was created a brought up to four long paragraphs by User:67.168.209.23. Today IPs are not allowed to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] For example, imagine a well-meaning newbie who sees that our article Logic starts with Logic is the study of reasoning. This newbie might change that to Logic is the art and science of correct deduction, which is

Re: [WikiEN-l] BBC blog on WSJ study

2009-11-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: This is slightly misleading as it is actually referring to logged-in users only. [snip] ~600,000 distinct usernames and IP addresses recorded at least 1 edit ~100,000 distinct usernames and IP addresses recorded at

Re: [WikiEN-l] BBC blog on WSJ study

2009-11-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: It's hard to understand the conjecture that Wikipedia ties in with those plans.  If anything, Wikipedia's habit of referencing historic news articles would help Mr. Murdoch's bottom line because it sends traffic to old

[WikiEN-l] Thought for the day…

2009-11-25 Thread Gregory Maxwell
A good way to overthrow a regime is to predict its downfall. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Create an article as a newbie challenge now paused

2009-11-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:34 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like just more strategic deletionist excusism. There is no excuse for anyone giving to destruction a higher value than they do to creation. So now that things are wrapping up, don't forget to hand out some merit

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Create an article as a newbie challenge now paused

2009-11-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: But CSD *isn't for deleting everything that should be deleted*.  So the fact that the article doesn't fit CSD but should be deleted anyway isn't a loophole.  Plenty of things which should be deleted don't fit CSD.

[WikiEN-l] Google blurb generation + Wikipedia = POVpedia

2009-11-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
I've noticed lately that the blurbs Google is generating for Wikipedia articles not only no longer reflect the article intros (for a long time they were putting out whatever tripe DMOZ had about the article) but are now selectively quoting the most opinionated piece of POV-tripe phrasing that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia fundraising slogans from identi.ca and Twitter

2009-11-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 9:41 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: that we don't have to speculate; we can run all the ones that don't seem blatantly counterproductive, and find out how well they do. Even better, It is not in fact that easy - because every slogan has to be translated into

Re: [WikiEN-l] Can sweet reason still work on en:wp? Occasionally.

2009-10-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: This is a bizarre, but ancient, misunderstanding of IAR. All IAR means is that priority number one is doing what is right, rather than pedantic allegiance to a dictatorial interpretation of rules. Since IAR is not

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [openmoko-announce] WikiReader

2009-10-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
-- Forwarded message -- From: Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:51 AM Subject: [openmoko-announce] WikiReader To: annou...@lists.openmoko.org, List for Openmoko community discussion commun...@lists.openmoko.org Dear Community! Today, with the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-10-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Fri, 2 Oct 2009, Gregory Maxwell wrote: No it's not. If the you've understood a rule as some formality that you must comply with when it clearly does not help you've misunderstood something. That's how rules actually

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-10-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Rob gamali...@gmail.com wrote: The reason I balk at using the SSDI or the census is I don't think we should be using primary sources in this manner. There are numerous pitfalls, including many errors of spelling and fact, to using these sources. Historians and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, FT2 wrote: So the resolution of your question above is, if anyone could in principle check it without analysis, just by witnessing the object or document and attesting it says what it says (or is what

Re: [WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

2009-09-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 6:20 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to know how Flagged Revisions feels from an unprivileged position, go to Wikinews and fix typos. I just did this on http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Geelong_win_2009_Australian_Football_League_Grand_Final - check

Re: [WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

2009-09-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Surreptitiousness surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com wrote: Gregory Maxwell wrote: This is another area where the UI can have a real impact: It's important the it not overstate the level of review that is occurring. Right now

Re: [WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

2009-09-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: The comparisons being made to NPP are interesting, because I see a lot of the problems NPP does not pick up--the articles which drop off the bottom of the list after a month and consequently that we no longer The place

Re: [WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

2009-09-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Gregory Maxwell wrote: UI fail. There is no reason for you to know or care that your edit isn't being displayed to the general public.  It's being displayed to you, it's being displayed to all the other

[WikiEN-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
This thread may turn out to be of interest to participants here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-September/055352.html ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] FlaggedRevs test wiki needs you!

2009-09-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: There is a page on the wiki collecting comments, please add yours: Done. One thing that makes testing this thing quite difficult

Re: [WikiEN-l] Subscription idea

2008-12-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
any more of my effort. Enjoy. On 12/26/08, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Gregory Maxwell wrote: I pulled all the rsol archives some years ago but when I tried to submit the pd works to wikisource *you* blew me off Ray. I still have them if anyone feels like fighting it out

Re: [WikiEN-l] Subscription idea

2008-12-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
I pulled all the rsol archives some years ago but when I tried to submit the pd works to wikisource *you* blew me off Ray. I still have them if anyone feels like fighting it out with the wikisource community. On 12/24/08, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Gregory Maxwell wrote: So

Re: [WikiEN-l] Subscription idea

2008-12-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Wtf go look in jstor- they happily assert copyright on hundreds of thousands of pre 1928 pd documents. On 12/25/08, wjhon...@aol.com wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/24/2008 2:46:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, arrom...@rahul.net writes: There are plenty of things which people

Re: [WikiEN-l] Image tagging: 33 months later

2008-12-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Judson Dunn cohes...@sleepyhead.org wrote: That's good news, thanks for doing this research! I bet there's some confusion abotu what self-created means, but I can't think of a better term for it really. creation is such a nebulous concept for many people. Is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Subscription idea

2008-12-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: It's a pretty neat idea. I think we should start with trying to get access to JSTOR. Gmaxwell's objection is one that we should, I think, leave aside. JSTOR access for Wikimedia editors would be quite handy, although I'm not sure

Re: [WikiEN-l] The WSJ likes us!

2008-12-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:41 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Rather than comparing a convenient online copy of Wikipedia to a paper copy of Britannica -0 of their readers have access to, or a deliberately-annoying Britannica website (see

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Times on Wikipedia

2008-12-21 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:06 PM, WODUP wikiwo...@gmail.com wrote: The article says The most notable instance of this was on the night Barack Obama won the American election. I found that his entire, detailed entry disappeared for nearly an hour - to be replaced with the one-line entry, Barack

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: Diffs or it didn't happen! Have the folks on the lists forgotten how to use contribs: You can easily find examples in Phil's contrib history. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tori_Amosdiff=prevoldid=257127013

Re: [WikiEN-l] IWF backing down?

2008-12-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Oldak Quill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something I don't understand about this affair: BT set up Cleanfeed, the ISP level content filtering system that caused this problem. Why haven't BT subscribers been subject to the block? They were, just two days later than

Re: [WikiEN-l] IWF backing down?

2008-12-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:43 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/9 Giacomo M-Z [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why haven't BT subscribers been subject to the block? - We are! It appears BT didn't switch on the filtering of Wikipedia for a day or so. Presumably they specifically exempted

Re: [WikiEN-l] IWF blacklist

2008-12-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Yet Facebook provided no means of appeal, and my own efforts to contact them and seek reconsideration fell on deaf ears. The problem is bigger than IWF. http://durova.blogspot.com/2008/12/who-watches-watchers.html

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show

2008-12-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:24 AM, R E Broadley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologies for accidentally over-quoting on my last post :-s On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM, R E Broadley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the show, the last thing said (in the mp3) file is we've only blocked the URL that

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show

2008-12-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Tim Starling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The poor woman clearly didn't know the difference between a URL and a web page. Most likely the same can be said about the IWF staff member who listed those two pages. The colatteral damage will mostly go away if they block

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/8 Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Overall, good. I'll also be blunt: the 'experiment' speculation at the end handed her a very strong close for the end of the interview. Everyone's a critic (and these things are so

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show

2008-12-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM, geni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since wikipedians can rapidly generate very large numbers of thumbnail URLs and have just the sod you attitude to do it such an approach is unlikely to be effective. Blocking wikipedia by URL is unlikely to be effective. We could

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) Apparently the image is on the the deluxe boxed set sold everywhere,

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/7 Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On second thought, those pics would be derivative works of the cover and hence not acceptable for Commons. It could be worthwhile, though, to have a contact point for accepting such

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) http://toolserver.org/~str4nd/virgin-killer-chart.png [[Streisand effect]] ?

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Oskar Sigvardsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Gregory Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward

Re: [WikiEN-l] Abolishing image placeholders; again

2008-12-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Andrew Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has been discussed at some length on this list before (ad infinitum, as I recall), and people might like to know it seems to have discreetly moved to the next stage: IFD. This is, what, round four?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Serious problems with interlanguage links

2008-12-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Eugene van der Pijll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lukasz Bolikowski schreef: A short introduction: let's say that two articles are connected if there is an interlanguage link from one to the other in at least one direction. Next, let's say that if A-B and B-C are

Re: [WikiEN-l] Suggestion on how referencing system could be improved

2008-12-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Thomas Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, The current ref.../ref...references/ system produces nice references, but it is flawed--all the text contained in a given reference appears in the text that the reference is linked from. For example: [snip] Once

Re: [WikiEN-l] Suggestion on how referencing system could be improved

2008-12-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:24 PM, phoebe ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I'd put in a vote for applying the same thing to infoboxes, too! And then maybe an option for experienced users: turn off javascript and see the whole smess as it is now/s wikitext. Or reveal codes button, a pretty

Re: [WikiEN-l] How's our coverage of medications?

2008-11-25 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/25 geni [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/11/25 Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But flagged revisions for currently protected pages is more wiki than protected pages... Given the historic grow rate of semi protect from