Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-19 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On 17 Jul 2009 17:47:49 -0400, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: {{fact}} Can we have a naval-gazing article on the history of the policy?? Perhaps we'd be able to address questions of how it came to be. Contact the United States Naval Observatory and get somebody there to write one. On Fri, 17 Jul

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-19 Thread WJhonson
Of course we'd have to have a community consensus that no person with tools could edit the meta articles, since we'd be trying to present the actual history of the project, including all the warts. Problematic. Of course it may collect all the troublesome persons into one area, so perhaps

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-18 Thread Ray Saintonge
Michael Peel wrote: It's always good to have several standard alternatives for distributing information, and it will be interesting to see what happens with this one. They could have chosen a better name, though - vixra sounds like something you'd see in a spam email... The capital

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/17 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Physics cranks drive so much. They were responsible for our No Original Research rule, and now they've forked arXiv.org: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/39845 viXra.org is for the stuff even arXiv.org doesn't want. It appears to be driven

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-17 Thread Michael Peel
Last time I checked, arXiv was for pre-prints - the word suggests to me that it has to actually be going to get printed. It's not supposed to be a place to publish papers, just distribute them faster when they are being published elsewhere. That's normally the case, but you do get some papers

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-17 Thread David Goodman
I note the comment in that article unfairly reject certain manuscripts or transfer them to the server’s less reputable general-physics category. This will be a useful quote in explaining that articles in that category are not necessarily as reliable as those in the other sections. We have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-17 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/17 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: On a en.wp note: I assume that arXiv counts as a (mostly) reliable site to reference? It will be interesting to see whether Vixra will also be, although I guess it'll be a case of each individual paper/ author set being taken on its own merits.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/17 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: On a en.wp note: I assume that arXiv counts as a (mostly) reliable site to reference? It will be interesting to see whether Vixra will also be, although I guess it'll be a case of each individual paper/ author set being taken on its own merits. Not

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-17 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/17 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: Not really. For the kind of things you get on arXiv reliable is usually taken to mean peer-reviewed, so you would cite the journal the paper was published in. You might link to the arXiv version for convenience, but you would be citing the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-17 Thread wjhonson
...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:49 pm Subject: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks Physics cranks drive so much. They were responsible for our No Original Research rule, and now they've forked arXiv.org: http://physicsworld.com/cws

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-17 Thread wjhonson
...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks 2009/7/17 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: Not really. For the kind of things you get on arXiv reliable is usually taken to mean peer-reviewed, so

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009-07-17 Thread Falcorian
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: You might link to the arXiv version for convenience[...] [[Template:Cite Journal]] actually recommends linking to arXiv when citing journal articles if the journal is not open to the public: *url*: This should point