Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-02-01 Thread Magnus Manske
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 1/30/13 1:41 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: A couple of screenshots to save people the effort: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/**767553/eiger-normal.pnghttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-normal.png

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-02-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 February 2013 10:05, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: yet another one requires JavaScript (though it has more features; check icons on top): http://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=Barack_Obama Looks nice! Feels a bit visually busy ... maybe not being used to it.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Looks nice! Feels a bit visually busy ... maybe not being used to it. The languages dropdown seems a bit mystery-meat navigation to me - perhaps head it Other languages like the Categories dropdown next to it. Yeah, the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-02-01 Thread Magnus Manske
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Looks nice! Feels a bit visually busy ... maybe not being used to it. The languages dropdown seems a bit mystery-meat navigation to me - perhaps

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-02-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 February 2013 10:16, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: This page appears to break it: https://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=Factory%20Benelux%20discograpjhy Well, *that* link is a typo. This link loads the article:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-31 Thread Mark
On 1/30/13 1:41 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: A couple of screenshots to save people the effort: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-normal.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-three-columns.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-three-columns-more.png Looking at these, it's remarkable

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-30 Thread Magnus Manske
Thanks! I'll be fiddling with it some more; now that TOC and thumbnails are in separate columns, they don't really need the grey background etc. Also, help would be appreciated; for example, I can't figure out how to top-align the TOC (position:absolute) and have it bump down left-side thumbnails

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-30 Thread Magnus Manske
Update: Current Eiger page: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23027995/Eiger%20current.png The TOC is partially obscured by the image, but it will pop into the foreground if you push the mouse over it. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of screenshots

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread Andrew Gray
On 28 January 2013 20:20, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I found this one visually appealing: http://dribbble.com/wirwoluf/projects/104912-wikipedia-redesign No doubt others will now take it apart :-) Minor quibbles: * The header hits a common problem - treating

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 January 2013 11:46, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: * The header hits a common problem - treating read/talk/edit/history as four different interfaces to the same page, while they're really three interfaces to the page (read/edit/history) and one link to another page (talk)

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Minor quibbles: * The header hits a common problem - treating read/talk/edit/history as four different interfaces to the same page, while they're really three interfaces to the page (read/edit/history) and one link

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 January 2013 12:10, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't find a way to comment to the designer to point them to this thread or to the WP redesigns page ... can anyone else work out Dribble's exquisitely-designed interface? I found my way to the designer's website and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread Magnus Manske
For those of you who like to try out a similar three-column layout, this just fresh from the presses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/common.css (activates on wide screens only) On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 January 2013 12:10,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread Steve Bennett
Hey, that works :) I put it on userstyles.org. So if you use the Stylish plugin for Chrome or Firefox, you can add it here: http://userstyles.org/styles/82333/wikipedia-3-columns-magnus-manske Steve On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: For those

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread Steve Bennett
A couple of screenshots to save people the effort: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-normal.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-three-columns.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/eiger-three-columns-more.png Looking at these, it's remarkable that we've put up with such a bad layout for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:46:51 +, Andrew Gray wrote: * The three-column system will look strangely constrained for pages with very short (1 screen height) infoboxes or very few headings. * It's not clear what would happen to our usual mass of footer navboxes, most of which assume

[WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-28 Thread David Gerard
I found this one visually appealing: http://dribbble.com/wirwoluf/projects/104912-wikipedia-redesign No doubt others will now take it apart :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-28 Thread Magnus Manske
One thing this and previous designs agree upon is to use a three-column layout for content. On today's wide screens, reduced line length for the main text should improve readability, and still use the side columns pragmatically; it seems the TOC usually goes to the left, and infoboxes to the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-28 Thread stevertigo
There is an ideal column width for readability, which is well understood in newspaper publishing but less so in books and even less so on the web. I think its around 10 words. -Steven On Jan 28, 2013 2:00 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: One thing this and previous designs

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2013 22:17, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: There is an ideal column width for readability, which is well understood in newspaper publishing but less so in books and even less so on the web. I think its around 10 words. Trouble there is that newspapers are portrait and have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2013 21:59, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: One thing this and previous designs agree upon is to use a three-column layout for content. On today's wide screens, reduced line length for the main text should improve readability, and still use the side columns

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-28 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.comwrote: One thing this and previous designs agree upon is to use a three-column layout for content. On today's wide screens, reduced line length for the main text should improve readability, and still use the side columns

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Trouble there is that newspapers are portrait and have pages, but screens are usually landscape and (the important bit) stretch indefinitely vertically. A good example of the problem with doing it like a newspaper is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-28 Thread stevertigo
Newspaper columns are not all of uniform size. Layout editors choose one width from within a certain readable range of column widths. Different stories may be of different widths, but a particular story will keep to the same width, as different widths would look strange. Of course if a story jumps