Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-12 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 12/12/2008 3:44:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, snowspin...@gmail.com writes: Which is part of the problem. There's a lot of stuff that, in academia, we just consider too obvious to publish. We already handle Is the Sun hot? Our policy allows common sense

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
Diffs or it didn't happen! :) Michel 2008/12/11 Phil Sandifer snowspin...@gmail.com Avoiding making this a de facto RFC on a given article... I've been getting into a fairly nasty feud on a popular culture article in which I added an academic criticism section, summarizing articles I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
There's a limit to how much I can comment if you don't want to give the specific example (your summary of the events will undoubtedly be incomplete and biased by your opinions - that's always the way with this kind of thing). What I will say is that the important principle here is that of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Fred Bauder
Avoiding making this a de facto RFC on a given article... I've been getting into a fairly nasty feud on a popular culture article in which I added an academic criticism section, summarizing articles I could find on the subject. This seems to me well-supported by numerous policies. But it

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: Diffs or it didn't happen! Have the folks on the lists forgotten how to use contribs: You can easily find examples in Phil's contrib history. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tori_Amosdiff=prevoldid=257127013

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Steve Summit
Michel wrote: Diffs or it didn't happen! :) I see the smiley, so perhaps I shouldn't come back with a serious response, but this interests me. It is very, very difficult to discuss a general issue on this list. If you (1) provide a specific example, people immediately dive in on the specifics

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/11 Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com: Michel wrote: Diffs or it didn't happen! :) I see the smiley, so perhaps I shouldn't come back with a serious response, but this interests me. It is very, very difficult to discuss a general issue on this list. If you (1) provide a specific

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Judson Dunn
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Phil Sandifer snowspin...@gmail.com wrote: Avoiding making this a de facto RFC on a given article... Not knowing what article you were talking about, (which is helpful in some situations) my expectation in a reader-role with wikipedia is that articles would have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/11 Judson Dunn cohes...@sleepyhead.org: After seeing the diff linked, and the fact that this is the Tori Amos article, yes, I think your audience/local-editorship for this article is probably significantly non-standard, more opinionated, and motivated than most subjects. Tori fans are

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread Thomas Larsen
On 12/12/08, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Scholarship in the arts is not primarily opinion, but analysis based on study of the primary sources, the same fundamental approach used on all other subjects. [/snip] You're right--and I guess this issue brings us down to the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Thomas Larsen larsen.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/12/08, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Scholarship in the arts is not primarily opinion, but analysis based on study of the primary sources, the same fundamental approach used on all other

Re: [WikiEN-l] Anti-intellectualism

2008-12-11 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 12/11/2008 9:00:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, fredb...@fairpoint.net writes: That's all I'm asking in this general discussion, recognition that there is a problem. -- In the articles I've worked on, and I mostly work on biography and a little on