Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-28 Thread Charlotte Webb
On 11/26/08, Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 11/26/08 3:29 PM, phoebe ayers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I believe that he means many of us do not feel the same lack of >> leadership and/or crisis that you apparently do, and would indeed >> prefer if you stopped trying to "discuss" t

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-26 Thread Marc Riddell
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Marc Riddell > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Marc Riddell wrote: on 11/17/08 12:32 PM, Charles Matthews at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > You must forgive David. The many years he has now spent in the UK have > undercut his natur

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-26 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Marc Riddell wrote: >>> on 11/17/08 12:32 PM, Charles Matthews at [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> wrote: >>> > You must forgive David. The many years he has now spent in the UK have undercut his natural Aussie frankn

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread K. Peachey
> Anyone have any ideas how to set up a system like that cleanly and get > it working on Wikipedia? The relatively poor spread of Persondata > suggests that it is harder than it looks to get something like this > going. Pay MoS to make it standard, then it will be bots ahoy! and doing it automatic

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:06 AM, Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you speaking for David now, Charles? The picture becomes clearer with > every post. Please stop being a dickhead. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread Steve Summit
Carcharoth wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Marc Riddell > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is one of five different ways the Birth & Death dates are now being >> represented in the Project. > > There is a similar profusion of different methods of dealing with > biographical metadata...

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread Marc Riddell
> Marc Riddell wrote: >> on 11/17/08 12:32 PM, Charles Matthews at [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> wrote: >> >>> You must forgive David. The many years he has now spent in the UK have >>> undercut his natural Aussie frankness. He is saying you've become a >>> bore on the topic: start at date formats

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Marc Riddell wrote: > on 11/17/08 12:32 PM, Charles Matthews at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > >>> >> You must forgive David. The many years he has now spent in the UK have >> undercut his natural Aussie frankness. He is saying you've become a >> bore on the topic: start at date formats a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread Marc Riddell
> Marc Riddell wrote: > 2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> David, are you content with the overall picture the (English) Wikipedia >> is >> presenting today? Do you believe it has enough stability, structure and >> strong leadership to sustain it? >> >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Marc Riddell wrote: 2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > David, are you content with the overall picture the (English) Wikipedia is > presenting today? Do you believe it has enough stability, structure and > strong leadership to sustain it? >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread Marc Riddell
>>> 2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > David, are you content with the overall picture the (English) Wikipedia is presenting today? Do you believe it has enough stability, structure and strong leadership to sustain it? > >> on 11/16/08 10:59 AM, David Gerard at [EMAIL

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Charlotte Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > On 11/16/08, Al Tally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Archives are indeed searchable (Google is your friend!) There is actually > a > > search function I believe which is in the list archives, but I always use > > Google

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-17 Thread David Gerard
2008/11/17 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> David, are you content with the overall picture the (English) Wikipedia is >>> presenting today? Do you believe it has enough stability, structure and >>> strong leadership to sustain it? > on 11/16/0

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-16 Thread Marc Riddell
> 2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> David, are you content with the overall picture the (English) Wikipedia is >> presenting today? Do you believe it has enough stability, structure and >> strong leadership to sustain it? on 11/16/08 10:59 AM, David Gerard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-16 Thread Charlotte Webb
On 11/16/08, Al Tally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Archives are indeed searchable (Google is your friend!) There is actually a > search function I believe which is in the list archives, but I always use > Google to search things from mailing lists. O rly? http://lists.wikimedia.org/robots.txt Ma

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-16 Thread Al Tally
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Carcharoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> David, are you content with the overall picture the (English) Wikipedia > is > >> presenting to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> David, are you content with the overall picture the (English) Wikipedia is >> presenting today? Do you believe it has enough stability, structure and >> strong leadership to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-16 Thread David Gerard
2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > David, are you content with the overall picture the (English) Wikipedia is > presenting today? Do you believe it has enough stability, structure and > strong leadership to sustain it? I believe I've answered before in threads on this list on this to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-16 Thread Andrew Gray
2008/11/15 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > And this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji%C5%99%C3%AD_Stiv%C3%ADn > > This is one of five different ways the Birth & Death dates are now being > represented in the Project. "now being represented"? It was added exactly like that in 2006! We've

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-16 Thread Charles Matthews
geni wrote: > 2008/11/15 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> To put it plainly: The product this Project is putting >> out has become incredibly sloppy, both in content and presentation. >> > > Become? Quite the reverse in fact. Sure there are poor articles out > there. Always have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-15 Thread Charlotte Webb
On 11/15/08, Carcharoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suspect you mean /style/ issues (i.e. "born" versus "*" vesus "b." > and so on), but I might be wrong. I'm not a big fan of the asterisk either, but maybe I read a little too much Vonnegut in middle school. But it does seem a little awkward in

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-15 Thread Marc Riddell
on 11/15/08 8:14 PM, David Gerard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> on 11/15/08 6:57 PM, David Gerard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy (Clay Shirky): >>> http://shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html >>> Note that Wikipedia

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-15 Thread David Gerard
2008/11/16 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > on 11/15/08 6:57 PM, David Gerard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy (Clay Shirky): >> http://shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html >> Note that Wikipedia is given as an example of a group that had evaded >> this. Oh well. >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-15 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is one of five different ways the Birth & Death dates are now being > represented in the Project. I suspect you mean /style/ issues (i.e. "born" versus "*" vesus "b." and so on), but I might be wrong. Can you lis

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-15 Thread geni
2008/11/15 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > And this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji%C5%99%C3%AD_Stiv%C3%ADn > > This is one of five different ways the Birth & Death dates are now being > represented in the Project. There are probably more. They will be sorted in time wikipedia tends towar

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-15 Thread Marc Riddell
on 11/15/08 6:57 PM, David Gerard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 2008/11/15 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Most often a project or organization does not fail due to some catastrophic >> happening from without; these they are prepared for and can defend against. >> What does prove to be its

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-15 Thread David Gerard
2008/11/15 Marc Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Most often a project or organization does not fail due to some catastrophic > happening from without; these they are prepared for and can defend against. > What does prove to be its final undoing is a corrosion of its product & > culture from within.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-15 Thread Marc Riddell
on 11/14/08 7:53 PM, Marc Riddell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Folks, > > Here's one way to avoid dealing with formatting the dates issue - don't > include them: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Lewis > > With this gem, the reader must go to the references to find the Birth & > Death d

[WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-14 Thread Marc Riddell
Folks, Here's one way to avoid dealing with formatting the dates issue - don't include them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Lewis With this gem, the reader must go to the references to find the Birth & Death dates! :-(. Marc Riddell ___ WikiEN