Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-28 Thread stevertigo
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: He does have a point. Jimbo founding principles did have something about keeping mailing lists open. I would hope that this applies to foundation-l as much as wiki-en-l, which I believe predates the foundation

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:50 AM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: He does have a point. Jimbo founding principles did have something about keeping mailing lists open. I would hope that this applies to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-28 Thread Fred Bauder
Steve, Let's take this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Dispute resolution and work it out there. That talk page itself involves certain restrictions, but I think from there we could establish some appropriate forum for regular on-wiki discussion of dispute resolution. Fred Stevertigo: And of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-28 Thread stevertigo
Excellent comments by Bod Notbod. Posting my response under the 'A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l' thread. -Stevertigo On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote: I like transparency too. It makes me pause to wonder whether a dispute resolution mailing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-28 Thread stevertigo
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Let's take this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Dispute resolution and work it out there. That talk page itself involves certain restrictions, but I think from there we could establish some appropriate forum for regular

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-28 Thread Cary Bass
stevertigo wrote: Um, no. There is a more actual reason underlying that one - that I was embarrassing Cary, and by extension anyone else on functionaries-l or else using private communication that they were being non-responsive. There are several slang substitutes for non-responsive in common

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-28 Thread stevertigo
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Cary Bassc...@wikimedia.org wrote: Please don't assume that you were embarrassing anyone except yourself. This looks like good, sound, hard-learned advice, even if it is presented as an inappropriate and off-topic personal attack. -Stevertigo

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-27 Thread Bod Notbod
From: stevertigo stv...@gmail.com I have been blocked from posting to foundation-l. No explanation has been given. But you know why, right? It's because it was felt that the issue you kept returning to was not relevant for the Foundation mailing list. You wouldn't accept that, continued to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-27 Thread stevertigo
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote: From: stevertigo stv...@gmail.com I have been blocked from posting to foundation-l. No explanation has been given. But you know why, right? Um, if there is a reason for a blocking, stating so openly, or even in private

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-27 Thread stevertigo
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:33 AM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote: That someone should of course have an identity. In the future, when someone is blocked from a list - particularly a seventh-year contributor/editor, who's been earnest in answering each substantive comment, question, or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-27 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:33:45 -0700, stevertigo wrote: Wales, who was for a long time our most upstanding proponent of openness, and who made it a point to deal personally and openly with nearly every issue that came up - on this very list, as a matter of fact - would be quite unhappy with

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-27 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Daniel R. Tobiasd...@tobias.name wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:33:45 -0700, stevertigo wrote: Wales, who was for a long time our most upstanding proponent of openness, and who made it a point to deal personally and openly with nearly every issue that came up -

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-26 Thread stevertigo
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Why care about what foundation-l does or doesn't do ? It's a silly place full of silly people :) I did not know that. -Stevertigo ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/26 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: I have been blocked from posting to foundation-l. No explanation has been given. It is my understanding that when individuals are blocked from an open list, the list moderator must give some kind of explanation. In an open discussion forum, it is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-26 Thread Fred Bauder
2009/7/26 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: I have been blocked from posting to foundation-l. No explanation has been given. It is my understanding that when individuals are blocked from an open list, the list moderator must give some kind of explanation. In an open discussion forum, it is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-26 Thread stevertigo
Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/26 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: I have been blocked from posting to foundation-l. No explanation has been given. It is my understanding that when individuals are blocked from an open list, the list moderator must give some kind of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-26 Thread stevertigo
Nathannawr...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure you were moderated? Austin only mentioned that the thread was killfiled. Yeah, well. I could not post that ASCII-art nude of myself to the list, so I guess I was blockified, as well. -Steven ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-26 Thread stevertigo
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I think, although I was his ally in the cause, creating a dispute resolution mailing list, that it is quite clear what the reason for blocking is -- continuing repeatedly to post on that subject when he was told it was

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-26 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/26 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: Well, you may be right about that, in a certain way. But nevertheless I did get Cary to finally respond, and, according to his response - mostly decrying the fact that I was making him look a bit too administrative - we now have exactly one more day to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-26 Thread stevertigo
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/26 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: Well, you may be right about that, in a certain way. But nevertheless I did get Cary to finally respond, and, according to his response - He's at this moment in NYT for the wiki

Re: [WikiEN-l] Blocking / moderation

2009-07-25 Thread WJhonson
Why care about what foundation-l does or doesn't do ? It's a silly place full of silly people :) In a message dated 7/25/2009 8:40:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stv...@gmail.com writes: I have been blocked from posting to foundation-l. No explanation has been given. It is my