On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Sam Blacketer wrote:
> I have to report that I always believed the confusion over Jimmy Wales'
> birthdate to be a covert and ingenious attempt to demonstrate to the
> community the need to use the facts given in reliable sources, and not to
> prefer what might be
On 17 January 2011 22:58, Sam Blacketer wrote:
> Nevertheless, there are similar disputes for other articles. See the
> biography of the great playwright Sir Terence Rattigan for a case where the
> date of birth is also in dispute to the tune of one day, and where reliable
> sources are in disagr
I have to report that I always believed the confusion over Jimmy Wales'
birthdate to be a covert and ingenious attempt to demonstrate to the
community the need to use the facts given in reliable sources, and not to
prefer what might be honestly expressed views but which are not supported by
reliabl
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 17 January 2011 16:55, Anthony wrote:
>> That's what he said September 18, 2004. So no, this wasn't an honest
>> mistake (which still would be reason not to trust what he says). And
>> it wasn't even just Wales being misleading, as he s
As a Queensland schoolboy, I watched the Apollo 11 landing on 21 July
1969, received through Australia's radio telescopes at Parkes and
Honeysuckle Creek, while at the same instant it was late on 20 July
1969 for the American audience basking in a glow of rightful pride.
Perhaps Jimmy was playing s
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 17 January 2011 16:55, Anthony wrote:
>> That's what he said September 18, 2004. So no, this wasn't an honest
>> mistake (which still would be reason not to trust what he says). And
>> it wasn't even just Wales being misleading, as he s
On 17 January 2011 16:55, Anthony wrote:
> That's what he said September 18, 2004. So no, this wasn't an honest
> mistake (which still would be reason not to trust what he says). And
> it wasn't even just Wales being misleading, as he so often does. This
> was an intentional lie.
If he was int
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Carcharoth
wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Thomas Dalton
>> wrote:
>>> Jimmy taking his birthdate as that which his mother tells him rather
>>> than that which is on his birth certificate doesn't soun
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Thomas Dalton
> wrote:
>> Jimmy taking his birthdate as that which his mother tells him rather
>> than that which is on his birth certificate doesn't sound like a lie
>> to me. A lie is saying something that you k
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:36 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 17 January 2011 04:03, Anthony wrote:
>
>> Or, if you need the whole story:
>
> I think you've just proven Tony's point.
Glad to be of service.
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On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> Jimmy taking his birthdate as that which his mother tells him rather
> than that which is on his birth certificate doesn't sound like a lie
> to me. A lie is saying something that you know to be untrue, this is
> simply a disagreement regardi
on 1/17/11 7:30 AM, Thomas Dalton at thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 17 January 2011 00:50, wiki wrote:
>> I don't think it helps to characterise any simple questioning of the leader
>> as a "deranged vendetta".
>
> Correction: Jimmy is our founder, he is not our leader. We don't have a
> le
On 17 January 2011 00:50, wiki wrote:
> I don't think it helps to characterise any simple questioning of the leader
> as a "deranged vendetta".
Correction: Jimmy is our founder, he is not our leader. We don't have a leader.
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On 17 January 2011 04:03, Anthony wrote:
> Then, in 2010,
> he posts to Talk:Jimmy Wales that "I was born on the 7th of August,
> according to my mother. My legal paperwork all says 8th of August, due
> to an error on my birth certificate."
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?User_talk:Jimbo_Wa
On 17 January 2011 04:03, Anthony wrote:
> Or, if you need the whole story:
I think you've just proven Tony's point.
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On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Tony Sidaway wrote:
>> And for the avoidance of doubt, I was referring to Anthony's decision
>> to drag in a reference to pointless blog discussion thread about Jimmy
>> Wales' birth date.
>
> I guess one person's
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Tony Sidaway wrote:
> And for the avoidance of doubt, I was referring to Anthony's decision
> to drag in a reference to pointless blog discussion thread about Jimmy
> Wales' birth date.
I guess one person's "pointless blog discussion thread" is another
person's "
And for the avoidance of doubt, I was referring to Anthony's decision
to drag in a reference to pointless blog discussion thread about Jimmy
Wales' birth date.
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On 17 January 2011 00:50, wiki wrote:
> I don't think it helps to characterise any simple questioning of the leader
> as a "deranged vendetta".
Simple questioning isn't what I call a "deranged vendetta". Snide
innuendo of the most slimy kind is what I refer to.
As I said, I question the purpose
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:50 AM, wiki wrote:
> I don't think it helps to characterise any simple questioning of the leader
> as a "deranged vendetta".
I thought Tony was merely engaging in some gentle self-criticism.
--
Peter in Canberra
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Does every thread referring to Jimmy Wales r
Does every thread referring to Jimmy Wales really have to become a
venue for some deranged vendetta? How does this help us to write an
encyclopedia?
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On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Tony Sidaway wrote:
> I remember that in 1992 I was stung by a wasp near the end of a day in
> York. I would happily take you to the precise location outside York
> station, I said "fuck". There is absolutely no documentation for this.
> It happened. My own first e
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:10 PM, wiki wrote:
> Wikipedia becomes more like religion every day.
With a God-King in a cloud realm and the occasional crucifixion. Not
to mention passing the plate on a regular basis.
I think it is important that we don't develop the same sort of
hierarchy and menta
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 14 January 2011 12:01, Tony Sidaway wrote:
>> 'So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be
>> taken literally?'
>>
>> I don't see why not. It's far from unusual for a tech-savvy user to
>> type that phrase into a d
On Friday, January 14, 2011, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> Sure, Jimmy is certainly capable of making mistakes, but unless there
> is evidence to suggest that he did it seems sensible to me to assume
> that he is correct. As you say, it's not a critical piece of
> information so we don't need to try and v
On 14 January 2011 12:25, Carcharoth wrote:
> One possibility, though, is that he typed it at some point, but there
> was an earlier edit he forgot. Memory can be a selective thing. What
> you would look for, if going further into this, is the first time he
> recalled this and where and to whom. U
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 14 January 2011 12:01, Tony Sidaway wrote:
>> 'So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be
>> taken literally?'
>>
>> I don't see why not. It's far from unusual for a tech-savvy user to
>> type that phrase into a
On 14 January 2011 12:01, Tony Sidaway wrote:
> 'So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be
> taken literally?'
>
> I don't see why not. It's far from unusual for a tech-savvy user to
> type that phrase into a document as a first test. I would be surprised
> if anyone expr
'So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be
taken literally?'
I don't see why not. It's far from unusual for a tech-savvy user to
type that phrase into a document as a first test. I would be surprised
if anyone expressed a good reason to doubt it.
So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be taken
literally?
It is simply a totem. If you want to be cruel you call it a sound-bite which
takes liberty with reality, if you want to be kind you call it a
"foundation-myth which serves to encapsulate the ethos and meaning of
W
+1 to that. Motto of Wikipedia indeed. :)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Tony Sidaway wrote:
> ‘I clicked on “Edit” and I wrote “Hello World” and that was the beginning.’
>
> That's a great soundbite. I know it's just a standard term used in
> testing a new program, but I prefer to take Hello
‘I clicked on “Edit” and I wrote “Hello World” and that was the beginning.’
That's a great soundbite. I know it's just a standard term used in
testing a new program, but I prefer to take Hello world as the motto
of Wikipedia.
Everything we know about the world, presented in a form the entire
worl
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