Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Charles As a consequence of various sustained dirty tricks campaigns, no doubt all intelligent people editing Wikipedia pseudonymously, and for whom revelation of their real-life identity would be a disaster, simply stopped doing that. Rightly so, no? You're

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-22 Thread Charles Matthews
Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Charles As a consequence of various sustained dirty tricks campaigns, no doubt all intelligent people editing Wikipedia pseudonymously, and for whom revelation of their real-life identity would be a disaster, simply stopped doing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:51 PM, AGKwiki...@googlemail.com wrote: One wonders what ramifications the High Court's decision in the Night Jack case has for UK wikipedians. Should we approach pseudonymous editing with a different perspective, now that the court has confirmed itself as unwilling

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-21 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:58:08 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: Is anonymity important to many Wikipedia contributors? I had sort of assumed we provided anonymity as a sort of courtesy, not as any real right. You were apparently absent during the BADSITES Wars of a couple of years ago, where one of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-21 Thread Unionhawk
I was also absent during the BADSITES war, but... Anomnity is important. --Unionhawk Daniel R. Tobias wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:58:08 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: Is anonymity important to many Wikipedia contributors? I had sort of assumed we provided anonymity as a sort of courtesy,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-21 Thread Charles Matthews
Daniel R. Tobias wrot. e: On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:58:08 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: Is anonymity important to many Wikipedia contributors? I had sort of assumed we provided anonymity as a sort of courtesy, not as any real right. You were apparently absent during the BADSITES Wars

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-21 Thread Unionhawk
Ok, I don't intend on becoming a checkuser or other dignitary that requires real name identification, so, I think I'm good in that regard... --Unionhawk Andrew Turvey wrote: - Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Is anonymity important to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-17 Thread Tim Starling
Phil Nash wrote: AGK wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8103132.stm One wonders what ramifications the High Court's decision in the Night Jack case has for UK wikipedians. Should we approach pseudonymous editing with a different perspective, now that the court has confirmed itself as

[WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-16 Thread AGK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8103132.stm One wonders what ramifications the High Court's decision in the Night Jack case has for UK wikipedians. Should we approach pseudonymous editing with a different perspective, now that the court has confirmed itself as unwilling to uphold the anonymity

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-16 Thread David Gerard
2009/6/16 AGK wiki...@googlemail.com: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8103132.stm One wonders what ramifications the High Court's decision in the Night Jack case has for UK wikipedians. Should we approach pseudonymous editing with a different perspective, now that the court has confirmed

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-16 Thread Nathan
Was there an assumption in the past that screen name anonymity would be protected by law enforcement and the court system? I don't agree with the judge's conclusions that the public is entitled to the identity of a blogger, but it seems obvious that the court is not going to provide injunctive

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-16 Thread Sam Blacketer
Whatever one thinks of the decision by The Times to run a story about him, it is plainly right that he should not have been able to maintain his anonymity through the courts. It would have been very surprising if the court had found otherwise. Attempting to find the real person behind a literary

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-16 Thread Stephen Bain
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:03 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: It's complicated. In this case, the Times worked out his identity and the court said they couldn't be stopped from saying it, considering the guy was a public commenter on matters of legitimate public interest. I think

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-16 Thread Sam Blacketer
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.comwrote: My first impression is that this seems to be consistent with current UK privacy (ie, expanded breach of confidence) jurisprudence, though I haven't read the whole case yet. Does anyone know where a copy of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-16 Thread Sam Blacketer
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Sam Blacketer sam.blacke...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.comwrote: My first impression is that this seems to be consistent with current UK privacy (ie, expanded breach of confidence) jurisprudence,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-16 Thread Stephen Bain
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Sam Blacketersam.blacke...@googlemail.com wrote: Update: It's there already: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2009/1358.html Cheers, I'd checked BAILII but didn't think to look under QB. -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009-06-16 Thread Unionhawk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I say people just sty behind their anonymity cloaks while they still can. I can say from personal experience that if people know your real name if you are a blogger, prepare for some hate mail. It filled my inbox for a good month, and people are still