Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: 3) Clicking outside the edited section should do something (ie, prompt you to save or abandon) What if you want to copy something from outside the section? (Assuming paste would work...) Good point. 4)

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-21 Thread Magnus Manske
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com Nice :-) Update : WYSIFTW now with auto-collapsed references! Hey Magnus, not sure if you're looking for more feedback, but, I just tried the

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com Nice :-) Update : WYSIFTW now with auto-collapsed references! Hey Magnus, not sure if you're looking for more feedback, but, I just tried the section editing and: 1) Can't paste into it (ctrl+v). Other keys also don't

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:02 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: WYSIWYG? WSYIWTF! OK, what *does* the TF at the end of the second initialism mean? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-04 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:02 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: WYSIWYG? WSYIWTF! OK, what *does* the TF at the end of the second initialism mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTF (first interpretation)

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-04 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:02 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 January 2011 23:47, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 January 2011 22:53, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-04 Thread Erik Moeller
2011/1/4 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com: WYSIWYG? WSYIWTF! Nice :-) Update : WYSIFTW now with auto-collapsed references! This is a cool demo, thanks for making and sharing it. It's obviously very buggy, but I think it's the first gadget that actually tries to create a rich-text

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 January 2011 19:56, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: The other reason is that our usability research has shown that collapsing elements can in fact increase initial newbie confusion as it becomes harder to make a direct match between the two representation modes (Ctrl+F for

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-04 Thread Erik Moeller
2011/1/4 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: What are their thoughts on the Wikia WYSIWYG editor? I presume Wikia did usability tests. I don't like the Wikia editor a lot (and find it opaque), but I can cope with wikitext. We've both done internal evaluations of the Wikia RTE, and had several

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-03 Thread Magnus Manske
Update : Misc fixes, diff function, preview function. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:04 PM, MuZemike muzem...@gmail.com wrote: OK, so I tried it and made a small copyediting edit on my favorite article Ninja Gaiden (Nintendo Entertainment System)

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 January 2011 20:26, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Update : Misc fixes, diff function, preview function. How close is this to being something to tell (more of) the world about? (At least the WMF bits of the world.) - d. ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-03 Thread Magnus Manske
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:42 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 January 2011 20:26, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Update : Misc fixes, diff function, preview function. How close is this to being something to tell (more of) the world about? (At least the WMF

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 January 2011 22:53, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Where do you suppose to plug it? Signpost? A blog? internal-l, for a start. I posted a pointer to my small pamphlet on WYSIWYG there too. There's considerable concern about (2) making editing easier for newbies though

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-03 Thread Magnus Manske
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 January 2011 22:53, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Where do you suppose to plug it? Signpost? A blog? internal-l, for a start. I posted a pointer to my small pamphlet on WYSIWYG there too. There's

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 January 2011 23:47, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 January 2011 22:53, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Where do you suppose to plug it? Signpost? A blog? I see the Signpost

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-02 Thread MuZemike
OK, so I tried it and made a small copyediting edit on my favorite article Ninja Gaiden (Nintendo Entertainment System) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ninja_Gaiden_(Nintendo_Entertainment_System)diff=405556357oldid=393253462 It did mess up a couple of things which I did not touch, so

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2010-12-29 Thread Magnus Manske
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Force-reload, go to an article, and you'll see a new

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2010-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
Ok, I got it - there were some spurious blank lines. Ok, um, it does what you said it does :) Now, how to make this a compelling demonstration that this is _the way foward_? Steve On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:30 AM,

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2010-12-29 Thread Magnus Manske
I see three parts that will be required for a fully functional demo: 1. Conversion of wikitext into HTMLized code as input for a HTML editor 2. A (patched) HTML WYSIWYG editor that takes the code from #1 as input 3. A wikitext generator, running on the saved HTML from #2 I have made a

[WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2010-12-28 Thread Magnus Manske
Hi all, I'm still on vacation, but I saw the WYSIWYG discussion, reloaded, and was bored, so... As far as I could deduce, the goal is to use a run-of-the-mill HTML WYSIWYG editor, with minimal modifications, to edit MediaWiki text. Since rebuilding the perfect parser has Failed Repeatedly (TM),

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Force-reload, go to an article, and you'll see a new WYSIWTF tab (I trust you can decipher the acronym ;-) Hi Magnus, I'm not getting an extra tab. Perhaps I've done something stupid, but I stuck the above code