Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote in message news:b8ceeef70908010746o42498809g41ad3c973fba9...@mail.gmail.com... moderator Does this thread have anything to do with this list? Does anyone care anymore? /moderator This list is about wikipedia and anything that goes into it or comes out

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-10 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:cd5.55c9d341.37a65...@aol.com... I know you are trying to be rigorous, but your logic has far too many assumptions to be so. Firstly you assume that a property is eternal. Predicate logic would probably assume that if A exists, than that does not change,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-02 Thread Ray Saintonge
Samuel Klein wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com wrote: moderator Does this thread have anything to do with this list? Does anyone care anymore? /moderator Magic 8-ball says... no. Not that there's anything wrong with the discussion. Perhaps

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-02 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/2 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com wrote: moderator Does this thread have anything to do with this list? Does anyone care anymore? /moderator Magic 8-ball says... no.  Not that there's anything wrong with the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-01 Thread WJhonson
I know you are trying to be rigorous, but your logic has far too many assumptions to be so. Firstly you assume that a property is eternal. Predicate logic would probably assume that if A exists, than that does not change, but the entire message I'm proposing is that this property can

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-31 Thread wjhonson
Message- From: stevertigo stv...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Not exactly my point. First god creates a regular stone

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-31 Thread stevertigo
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:43 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Point one.  I do not presuppose the existence of a single god who is omnipotent.  After all, if you believe in one omnipotent god, it doesn't take any leap to believe that that number may be more than one.  I tend to write without the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-30 Thread Jay Litwyn
, Jul 24, 2009 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:07 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: An electron is uncrushable.? Can an electron decay? An electron is not matter. Its a subatomic particle and constituent of matter. It cannot be crushed, because

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-30 Thread Jay Litwyn
wjhon...@aol.com wrote in message news:c60.4955af03.3794c...@aol.com... Your belief in something however does not effect it's own existence. However I have a new twist on this old issue. Given: God can do anything Assume: God creates an object which can do more things than God Explain:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-30 Thread WJhonson
Not exactly my point. First god creates a regular stone, which god can do. Now we can all admit that god, once god has created a green stone, could change the color of the stone from green to red. So this shows that god can change a *property* of a pre-existent object. If crushable is a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-30 Thread stevertigo
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Not exactly my point. First god creates a regular stone, which god can do. Now we can all admit that god, once god has created a green stone, could change the color of the stone from green to red. Hm. Read: Making a point

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-30 Thread stevertigo
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote: Previous post correction diff: - a point decapitalizing God + a point of decapitalizing God - and thear supposedly + and their supposedly - a pair of more sufficiently more massive ones. + a pair of sufficiently more massive

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-27 Thread stevertigo
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: An electron is not matter. Interesting idea.  Do you have an authority for that statement ? Sounds a little odd to me. Well not all things are matter. Light, for example. But there's a bit of a semantic ambiguity issue with the word

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-27 Thread WJhonson
If by light you mean the wave portion, than I'd probably agree with you, that it's not matter. However light is also a photon, which as a particle, I would have to say is matter, massless or no. I seem to recall however this little thing called the particle-wave duality of nature. That

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-27 Thread stevertigo
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:58 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: If by light you mean the wave portion, than I'd probably agree with you, that it's not matter.  However light is also a photon, which as a particle, I would have to say is matter, massless or no. I seem to recall however this little

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-27 Thread WJhonson
I tried twelfth-dimensional thinking for a while, but my pineal gland started to protrude from my forehead, so I had to stop. Protruding Pineal Glands are not very attractive. In a message dated 7/27/2009 11:41:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stv...@gmail.com writes: Eh. I understand

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-27 Thread Phil Nash
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I tried twelfth-dimensional thinking for a while, but my pineal gland started to protrude from my forehead, so I had to stop. Protruding Pineal Glands are not very attractive. You'd have found it a lot simpler to visualise the problem in N dimensions and then set N=12.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-27 Thread stevertigo
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I tried twelfth-dimensional thinking for a while, but my pineal gland started to protrude from my forehead, so I had to stop. Protruding Pineal Glands are not very attractive. Tell me about it. My own protuberance gets quite profound,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-24 Thread wjhonson
An electron is not matter. Interesting idea. Do you have an authority for that statement ? Sounds a little odd to me. -Original Message- From: stevertigo stv...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-23 Thread stevertigo
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Daniel R. Tobiasd...@tobias.name wrote: There is also the possibility that *neither* of these things [God uncrushable stones] exist, and that is the possibility that seems most logical to me. The God paradoxes don't involve so much the issue of God's

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-23 Thread wjhonson
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Daniel R. Tobiasd...@tobias.name wrote: There is also the possibility that *neither* of these things [God uncrushable stones] exist, and that is the possibility that seems most logical to me. The God paradoxes

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-19 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/16 Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca: Here is the simple way to explain why the answer to any paradox is no. Can God crush an uncrushable stone? If God exists, then the uncrushable stone does not. If an uncrushable stone exists, then God does not. Emacs can create a core

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-19 Thread Ian Woollard
On 16/07/2009, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: Here is the simple way to explain why the answer to any paradox is no. Can God crush an uncrushable stone? If God exists, then the uncrushable stone does not. If an uncrushable stone exists, then God does not. ___ I do not

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-19 Thread WJhonson
Your belief in something however does not effect it's own existence. However I have a new twist on this old issue. Given: God can do anything Assume: God creates an object which can do more things than God Explain: Why this fallacy is a logical violation. Second new twist Given: God can

[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-07-10 Thread stevertigo
[[Wikipedia:Paradoxes]] - just some high-level brainstorming about the basic sillinesses of wanting stuff to be stuff, even while that stuff is always changing. -Stevertigo ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from