Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins Matt Jacobs

2010-05-30 Thread Charles Matthews
Michael Peel wrote: We block our precious new users at the drop of a hat, but an admin has to do something pretty damned horrific to even consider removing their status, and even then it takes months. This depends on what you define as 'pretty damned horrific. I'd say that it's

[WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-05-30 Thread WereSpielChequers
Re the theory that making it easier to get rid of admins could be a solution to the decline in their active numbers. This is one of those perennial theories that often sidetracks any attempt at WT:RFA to reform the process; But has at least once failed to get consensus for change - not least

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-05-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 May 2010 11:36, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote: As for the idea that we should move to Hi, I noticed that you speedy-deleted some files that do not appear to meet the CSD criteria; your SysOp staus has been removed _while we discuss it_. I've done over 4,000

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-05-30 Thread David Goodman
The reasonable people here who discuss this are not the admins about whom there is a problem. There are many admins who make errors and refuse to discuss them, and a few who deliberately and intentionally ignore the restrictions of deletion policy. I have so far not even attempted the various

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-05-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 30 May 2010 11:43, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. The first - and, I would have thought, jawdroppingly obvious - result would be that no-one at all would go near such work in any circumstances. Exactly. The big problem with community desysoppings is that any admin doing their

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-05-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:58 PM 5/30/2010, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 30 May 2010 11:43, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. The first - and, I would have thought, jawdroppingly obvious - result would be that no-one at all would go near such work in any circumstances. Exactly. The big problem with

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-05-30 Thread Ian Woollard
On 31/05/2010, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: As to regular deletion, an admin is assessing arguments and consensus at an AfD, and, if doing this well, doesn't delete unless there is consensus for it, or, alternatively, the arguments are clear and evidenced. Actually it's not

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-05-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:43 AM 5/30/2010, David Gerard wrote: On 30 May 2010 11:36, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote: As for the idea that we should move to Hi, I noticed that you speedy-deleted some files that do not appear to meet the CSD criteria; your SysOp staus has been removed

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-05-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:14 PM 5/30/2010, Ian Woollard wrote: On 31/05/2010, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: As to regular deletion, an admin is assessing arguments and consensus at an AfD, and, if doing this well, doesn't delete unless there is consensus for it, or, alternatively, the