Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 20 May 2012 22:32, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: There's nothing to answer; and I've been copying the most informative or hilarious quotes for posterity, such as an active administrator in good standing wondering if it might actually increase article quality and not constitute

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:09 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, there is.  Your methodology has been challenged I don't recall any challenges You haven't gone over your methodology. I highly doubt you've

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:47 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony wrote: Removing 100 random external links?  For a few weeks?  Then adding back the ones that deserve to be added back? Where and when did Gwern specify a time frame and indicate that the appropriate links would

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: The procedure: remove random links and record whether they are restored to obtain a restoration rate. - To avoid issues with selecting links, I will remove only the final external link on pages selected by

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:57 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2012 22:32, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: There's nothing to answer; and I've been copying the most informative or hilarious quotes for posterity, such as an active administrator in good standing

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:47 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony wrote:  Okay, I'm imagining it  Sounds like something that would improve the encyclopedia. Again, what if hundreds or thousands of users,

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:57 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: What I'm feeling about this *feels* just like hindsight bias, but I vaguely recall saying something just like that. It certainly sounds like it too. :) But if you ever refind where you said that, you get some Gwern points.

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread David Levy
Anthony wrote: Removing 100 random external links? For a few weeks? Then adding back the ones that deserve to be added back? Where and when did Gwern specify a time frame and indicate that the appropriate links would be restored? If this is done, then does it cease to be vandalism?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Page Ratings analysis?

2012-05-21 Thread Dario Taraborelli
Hi Steve, • results of early tests of AFT4 are here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Research • Adam Hyland recently posted a series of compelling analyses comparing AFT data with WP1.0 ratings here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Protonk/Article_Feedback • there are recent

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Horologium
On 5/21/2012 12:33 PM, Carcharoth wrote: one was a link to a find-a-grave page with a photo of the subject (unneeded because we already had a photo of the subject) That is arguable. It depends whether it is the same photo at the same time of life or not. If the only free photo of someone shows

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: So, you are not removing random links at all. . I should just link XKCD here, but I'll forebear. I am reminded of an anecdote describing a court case

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Anthony
Again, what if hundreds or thousands of users, whose methodologies are undiscussed and potentially flawed, were to take it upon themselves to conduct such experiments without consultation or approval?  That's the hypothetical scenario to which I referred. Yes, I know. And you believe

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: How could we do that?  You could have just cherrypicked the worst links that were last links which are not official or template-generated in External Link sections.  I'm not saying I think you did that.  But you certainly could

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread Anthony
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: How could we do that?  You could have just cherrypicked the worst links that were last links which are not official or template-generated in External Link

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

2012-05-21 Thread David Levy
Anthony wrote: I believe I answered this above.  Trusting people to act in good faith in the way that they feel is in the long-term best interest of creating an encyclopedia is what Wikipedia is all about. I answered *that* by pointing out that we don't indiscriminately permit good-faith