Re: [WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-31 Thread Samuel Klein
Wikipedia has no management style because there are no managers. We should not be a bureaucracy in any sense of the word. Right. That is the point of WP:BURO. It's not that We are a bureaucracy, but if you cut some corners we'll look the other way. That's not what it says at all.

Re: [WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-23 Thread quiddity
There are 2 things wrong with this discussion. 1) someone replied to the proposal: Isn't it time to be honest with ourselves ... Perhaps next time, consider the phrase: It only takes one (1) reply, to turn a rant (1) into an argument (2). 2) That page, [[WP:NOT]], is an abstraction of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-23 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Ryan Delaney wrote: That's the point made in the OP. Apoc2400 thinks that, since the reality is that Wikipedia has become greatly bureaucratized (he and I think that's a bad thing, you think it's a

Re: [WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-22 Thread Charles Matthews
Ryan Delaney wrote: That's the point made in the OP. Apoc2400 thinks that, since the reality is that Wikipedia has become greatly bureaucratized (he and I think that's a bad thing, you think it's a good thing, but that's beside the point) then we should stop kidding ourselves and get rid

Re: [WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-22 Thread stevertigo
Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia has no management style because there are no managers. We should not be a bureaucracy in any sense of the word. That is the point of WP:BURO. It's not that We are a bureaucracy, but if you cut some corners we'll look the other way. That's

Re: [WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-20 Thread Charles Matthews
Ryan Delaney wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com mailto:charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Apoc 2400 wrote: Isn't it time to be honest with ourselves and nominate Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy for deletion?

Re: [WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-20 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Ryan Delaney wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com mailto:charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Apoc 2400 wrote: Isn't it time to

[WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-16 Thread Apoc 2400
Checking the Village Pump today I discovered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#autoconfirmed_for_unassisted_article_creation This is an ingenious new way of getting rid of newcomers while officially welcoming them to contribute. A newcomer who wants to create a