Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-04 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Ian Woollard wrote: Yes, but some of those really bad articles will become good articles if you spend enough time on them. Deletion short-circuits that. In a perfect world, with perfect AFDs it

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-03 Thread Charles Matthews
Ryan Delaney wrote: I'm still not seeing the connection, but I'll try one last time. It sounds like you're saying that discussion of deletion process distracts us from working on building new, better articles on topics that we already have, and that we shouldn't worry too much about

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-03 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I wasn't saying we shouldn't discuss deletion process: I think in fact we should probably look at why PROD is underused. I think that having the deleted articles off the site (unless you're an admin) does

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: Well, now you've given me another guess: The problem with PWD is that it's wrong to have deleted material available for people to look at because that would encourage them to look at deleted content rather than undeleted

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-03 Thread stevertigo
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Deletion is good because it totally dispenses with junk. Parsing... Destruction = [qualitative superlative] because [destruction] [completely destroys] [things that need destroying]. Please let us all pledge to henceforth refrain from employing circular

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-02 Thread Charles Matthews
Ryan Delaney wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Now that's a lovely perennial idea. There's no point in hard deleting any article save to protect private information in the history. You can pure wiki delete; or even pure wiki delete and protect

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-02 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Ryan Delaney wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Now that's a lovely perennial idea. There's no point in hard deleting any article save to protect

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-02 Thread Charles Matthews
Ryan Delaney wrote: I'm having trouble following your meaning, I think because I'm not familiar with how you are using rationalisation. Can you explain a bit more please? Wiktionary meaning (3) for rationalization is A reorganization of a company or organization in order to improve its

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-02 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Ryan Delaney wrote: I'm having trouble following your meaning, I think because I'm not familiar with how you are using rationalisation. Can you explain a bit more please? Wiktionary meaning (3) for

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-01 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Now that's a lovely perennial idea. There's no point in hard deleting any article save to protect private information in the history. You can pure wiki delete; or even pure wiki delete and protect the blank page; but

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-31 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: I do not consider that trivial. The deletion of improvable articles because the small number of participants at AfD who are interested and willing to rescue them is one of the reasons for people losing the interest

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-24 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:46 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Come join the talk at deletion review if you think its so easy to restore articles. People cant even se ethem to work on without asking an administrator. (though there are some, including myself, who will always

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-09 Thread Ray Saintonge
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I gave up. Eventually I came across a controversial topic that particularly interested me, where I had the background to understand the sources and where my research radically changed my mind. So I started working on it, I even bought a pile of books about it (on

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-03 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Gwern Branwen wrote:  Charles Matthews wrote Counterfactually, suppose you had a team of universal researchers you could assign to work on articles. What relative weight would you give to various types of

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On 10/3/09, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, there is one in there that strikes me as valid: the shield-mate one. I know I've read about the idea before in multiple contexts, and there's the obvious historical example of the Sacred Band. I don't know if it's *correct*, and it

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-02 Thread David Goodman
Come join the talk at deletion review if you think its so easy to restore articles. People cant even se ethem to work on without asking an administrator. (though there are some, including myself, who will always userify for a good faith editor). I think it's more likely that of the 20, not 1,

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-02 Thread Charles Matthews
David Goodman wrote: The deletion of improvable articles because the small number of participants at AfD who are interested and willing to rescue them is one of the reasons for people losing the interest in Wikipedia. Counterfactually, suppose you had a team of universal researchers you

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-02 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: David Goodman wrote: The deletion of improvable articles because the small number of participants at AfD  who are interested and willing to rescue them is one of the reasons for people losing the interest