Just in case someone hadn't noticed the status of this, about half of
the slots have been covered/uploaded.
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Sorry, it's undiplomatic to interfere with others budget plans - but I just
can't ignore how the future of Wikimania will look like if others will
follow UK plans to invest £40,000 only for the bid process (about 62,000$).
I wrote my last response on that few minutes ago:
Staffing is a very good thing to spend money on—while executing the conference.
Spending $62,000 on staff for a bid would be worth the investment if bidding
for Wikimania were anything like bidding for the Olympics, but it is not. The
spirit of Wikimania is ultimately from its volunteer
The problem is, that it takes someone to step forward and DO something.
Ed is not a Wikipedian per se, but he has donated a lot of time so far and
the question is - do we want a half-assed volunteer attempt plagued by
volunteers flaking out etc. Or do we want Wikimania.
If someone objects so
On 25 August 2012 20:28, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:
Sorry, it's undiplomatic to interfere with others budget plans - but I just
can't ignore how the future of Wikimania will look like if others will
follow UK plans to invest £40,000 only for the bid process (about 62,000$).
To be
Please note that we're talking about a proposal here, not anything that has
been set in stone at this point. WMUK is open to the UK bid team requesting
reasonable funds to support a bid, but we have not yet agreed to provide any
such funding.
Thanks,
Mike
On 25 Aug 2012, at 20:32, James Hare
This is one thing to invest 5,000$ or so for planning process, legal or
expert advises - that is reasonable (and others did it without - Haifa,
Argentina, DC, Poland..) 64,000$ is not.
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
On 25 August 2012 20:28, Itzik
Maybe the question should first be: what kind of Wikimania do we want.
Personally, I would be totally happy with down scaling the conference a
bit. Less visitors (500-600), less events and less professional. Let it be
more volunteer focused, and yes, perhaps also a bit more chaotic. That also
I don't think this is a suitable topic for such a public mailing list at
this time, regardless. Hong Kong comes before a bid that hasn't actually
been finalised.
Joe
On 25 August 2012 20:46, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Maybe the question should first be: what kind of Wikimania
About 62, 000$ on Wikimania that last just about 1 week?
That's really huge, I think.
Upcoming chapters around the world will love to enjoy grants and funding
from the WMF. Can the WMUK channel some of these lovely dollars into
supporting upcoming chapters and WM groups?
If the WMUK hasn't
Eek, I didn't notice this was the Wikimania list..
Agreed! This is a totally inappropriate venue.
Tom
On 25 August 2012 20:48, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think this is a suitable topic for such a public mailing list at
this time, regardless. Hong Kong comes before a
On 25 August 2012 20:48, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think this is a suitable topic for such a public mailing list at
this time, regardless. Hong Kong comes before a bid that hasn't actually
been finalised.
The 2014 host will be chosen before we all go to Hong Kong, so
We're talking about bid selection here. I think this is the most suitable
list and moment to discuss that - before anyone starts investing time and
money in the 2014 bids. For 2013 we already made the choice for the Hong
Kong bid, and they should continue organizing it as they presented in their
Am 25.08.2012 21:46, schrieb Lodewijk:
Maybe the question should first be: what kind of Wikimania do we want.
Personally, I would be totally happy with down scaling the conference a
bit. Less visitors (500-600), less events and less professional. Let it be
more volunteer focused, and yes,
On 25 August 2012 20:51, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
Eek, I didn't notice this was the Wikimania list..
Agreed! This is a totally inappropriate venue.
This is a general discussion about what kind of money it is reasonable
to spend on the Wikimania bid. That discussion is
...On this list? I don't think so. Unless we also want to poke our noses
into Bukittinggi and Sydney's potential finances as well?
Joe
On 25 August 2012 20:51, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 August 2012 20:48, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think this
I hope the committee that evaluates bids looks for communities of
Wikimedians who are prepared to host Wikimania. A big check does not a
community make, and no amount of spending of donors money will replace
actual Wikimedians with the interest and desire in hosting Wikimania.
To be honest I'm rather offended that the UK bid is being written off while
it's still 2014. I agree with you, but London is far from the cheapest city
in the world, as I'm sure you're aware - money will be required.
Joe
On 25 August 2012 21:08, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope the
I am surprised at the reaction here. Is it so necessary for UK to have a
bid or a winning bid at that, that you are willing to break convention, and
spend this huge amount on a paid bid.
This is unfair. I don't know the history about the bidding process, but
bids that I saw were written by
Would would money even buy at the bidding stage? Absolutely nothing, unless
you count the venue?
When did the DC team book their venue? How much was it? (Guessing they got
it for nothing, but probably wrong)
Joe
On 25 August 2012 21:10, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
I am surprised at the
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:
To be honest I'm rather offended that the UK bid is being written off
while it's still 2014. I agree with you, but London is far from the
cheapest city in the world, as I'm sure you're aware - money will be
required.
Am 25.08.2012 22:10, schrieb Joseph Fox:
To be honest I'm rather offended that the UK bid is being written off while
it's still 2014. I agree with you, but London is far from the cheapest city
in the world, as I'm sure you're aware - money will be required.
from my experience on the Wikimania
A lot of the WMUK board members were at Wikimania in DC. They're all
passionate Wikimedians, I can assure you.
Joe
On 25 August 2012 21:13, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.comwrote:
To be honest I'm rather offended that the
We had booked GWU by early November 2011.
The cost of the space was far from free, let me tell you. (That said, it was
still heavily discounted.)
On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Joseph Fox wrote:
Would would money even buy at the bidding stage? Absolutely nothing, unless
you count the venue?
I understand this. But people here seem to have seen that they'll be making
up a financial plan for the event, then announcing that there is no raw
passion underneath the money. I'm just telling you that there are a *lot* of
very active and very passionate Wikimedians in the UK looking to make the
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:
Would would money even buy at the bidding stage? Absolutely nothing,
unless you count the venue?
When did the DC team book their venue? How much was it? (Guessing they got
it for nothing, but probably wrong)
I'm not
On 25 August 2012 21:13, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.comwrote:
To be honest I'm rather offended that the UK bid is being written off
while it's still 2014. I agree with you, but London is far from the
cheapest city in the
I'm sorry, guys, I think I'm guilty of not reading up properly on this -
apparently the £40,000 is just for the *bid*? Clarification from someone at
WMUK please?
I think surely that's an estimate on total cost that's been misquoted...
Joe
On 25 August 2012 21:25, Thomas Morton
On 25 August 2012 21:31, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry, guys, I think I'm guilty of not reading up properly on this -
apparently the £40,000 is just for the *bid*? Clarification from someone
at WMUK please?
I think surely that's an estimate on total cost that's been
Gotcha. Thanks for that, Tom.
Joe
On 25 August 2012 21:33, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 25 August 2012 21:31, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry, guys, I think I'm guilty of not reading up properly on this -
apparently the £40,000 is just for the
On 25 August 2012 21:31, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sorry, guys, I think I'm guilty of not reading up properly on this -
apparently the £40,000 is just for the bid? Clarification from someone at
WMUK please?
I think surely that's an estimate on total cost that's been
Wikimania is not cheap, I quite agree, and there is tremendous value to the
community and future partners in having a professional and exciting event.
I did not read this thread as people concerned about the cost of Wikimania,
but rather the costs of the bid itself. Washington, DC, is quite an
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