Re: [Wikimania-l] Claims by BDS
2011/6/29 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: I don't have precise measurements of popularity of Palestinians' Wikipedia participation. It's not zero - there is a considerable number of user pages in the Arab Wikipedia with userboxes that say this user lives in Israel or this user lives in Palestine; at least some of them actually demonstrated it in their edits (i can read Arabic a little). I emailed all of them and got no reply. Have you try reaching the people in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Palestine ? Yes, some of them, but i'll try a few more. Thanks for poking. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Claims by BDS
Hello, Just to clarify a few points - 1. The term Palestinian-Arabs refers to people who identify themselves as part of the Palestinian People, but they hold various nationalities. Many of them are Israeli citizens, so they can arrive at Haifa just as any other Israeli (and like other Israelis, they might register at the last moment, since they don't need accommodations). Those who live in East Jerusalem are not necessarily Israeli nationals, but they have free access to any place in Israel (they hold Israeli IDs, which are more-or-less like Green Cards in the US). Those living in Jordan and have Jordanian nationality should obtain visa from the Israeli embassy in Amman. Those who live in the West Bank and are under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority enter Israel with their Palestinian internal ID and a permit which the PA office obtain for them from the Israeli authorities (so they need to file the request at the local PA office). Many of them have a permanent permit - these are usually WB residents who work in Israel. The main problem is with residents of the Gaza Strip, due to the very delicate political situation there. It is possible to obtain permits for them too, but it requires some coordinations with the relevant authorities. I personally made some phone calls, and received detailed information about how to start the process, but unfortunately, I received no information about people from Gaza who actually filed requests to enter Israel for attending Wikimania. 2. Palestinians have good access to Internet. Currently, the Palestinian ISPs relies on the Israeli infrastructure, so it might seem as if they connect from Israel, though in many cases I saw Palestinian Territories as the designation of location for people connecting from the WB and Gaza. That said, Wikipedia is not very popular among Palestinians, as far as I can judge. Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects are extremely popular among Hebrew-speaking Israelis, but Arabic-speaking Israelis and Palestinians in the WB and Gaza are much more into writing blogs, posting comments in various Arabic-speaking web-forums etc. When I was interviewed in Arabic about Wikipedia, the Palestinian person who was interviewed with me was not a Wikipedian, but rather the head of a Palestinian bloggers' union. 3. I talked with some Egyptians who considered coming to Haifa. It wouldn't be fair to reveal information given to me in private conversations, but I can say that the current situation in Egypt poses unexpected difficulties to Egyptians who wish to visit Israel. The Israeli embassy in Cairo and the consulate in Alexandria work normally, and visa procedures have not changed, and yet being listed as someone who crossed the border to Israel is something many of those I've talked with prefer to avoid at the current state of affairs. I'm afraid this is beyond the control of any of us, and it is an unexpected development of the past five months or so. Dror K ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Claims by BDS
I suspect that at present Wikimedians in Gaza would have difficulty attending an event anywhere outside the Gaza strip - whether it was in Israel or not. The censorship article says that explicit sexual content is filtered out in Gaza, but it doesn't say whether that means just a minority of Wikipedia pages are filtered out, or the whole site is filtered out, or our whole site is allowed becasue the vast majority of pages don't contain explicit sexual content. In the context of Wikimania and also the board resolution on enabling filters, it would be interesting to know whether Hamas is blocking or even trying to block Wikipedia in the Gaza strip. Is there any chance that someone connected with the Israeli chapter has a contact inside Gaza who could test this? WSC On 29 June 2011 11:13, dror1...@icqmail.com wrote: Hello, Just to clarify a few points - 1. The term Palestinian-Arabs refers to people who identify themselves as part of the Palestinian People, but they hold various nationalities. Many of them are Israeli citizens, so they can arrive at Haifa just as any other Israeli (and like other Israelis, they might register at the last moment, since they don't need accommodations). Those who live in East Jerusalem are not necessarily Israeli nationals, but they have free access to any place in Israel (they hold Israeli IDs, which are more-or-less like Green Cards in the US). Those living in Jordan and have Jordanian nationality should obtain visa from the Israeli embassy in Amman. Those who live in the West Bank and are under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority enter Israel with their Palestinian internal ID and a permit which the PA office obtain for them from the Israeli authorities (so they need to file the request at the local PA office). Many of them have a permanent permit - these are usually WB residents who work in Israel. The main problem is with residents of the Gaza Strip, due to the very delicate political situation there. It is possible to obtain permits for them too, but it requires some coordinations with the relevant authorities. I personally made some phone calls, and received detailed information about how to start the process, but unfortunately, I received no information about people from Gaza who actually filed requests to enter Israel for attending Wikimania. 2. Palestinians have good access to Internet. Currently, the Palestinian ISPs relies on the Israeli infrastructure, so it might seem as if they connect from Israel, though in many cases I saw Palestinian Territories as the designation of location for people connecting from the WB and Gaza. That said, Wikipedia is not very popular among Palestinians, as far as I can judge. Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects are extremely popular among Hebrew-speaking Israelis, but Arabic-speaking Israelis and Palestinians in the WB and Gaza are much more into writing blogs, posting comments in various Arabic-speaking web-forums etc. When I was interviewed in Arabic about Wikipedia, the Palestinian person who was interviewed with me was not a Wikipedian, but rather the head of a Palestinian bloggers' union. 3. I talked with some Egyptians who considered coming to Haifa. It wouldn't be fair to reveal information given to me in private conversations, but I can say that the current situation in Egypt poses unexpected difficulties to Egyptians who wish to visit Israel. The Israeli embassy in Cairo and the consulate in Alexandria work normally, and visa procedures have not changed, and yet being listed as someone who crossed the border to Israel is something many of those I've talked with prefer to avoid at the current state of affairs. I'm afraid this is beyond the control of any of us, and it is an unexpected development of the past five months or so. Dror K ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
[Wikimania-l] global south strategy meeting, 2011-08-02, wikimania preconf prog
Hello, I asked two people from the Ben Gurion University's Africa Center to attend Wikimania for as much as they can, in order to talk with developers and other people involved in offline projects and devnations initiatives. These two students were part of the Israeli mission to Santchou, Cameroon, earlier this year, and they had a lot of success with installing offline versions of the French Wikipedia there. I wrote about it in Hebrew on wm-il's blog, and Amir sent an English self-translation to the Foundation's blog, I hope it would be published soon. Anyway, one of these students is engaged in other volunteering projects throughout the summer, but this time in Israel, so he said that if he would be in the vicinity of Haifa on 2-3 August he will come to talk with anyone who would like to hear about his experience. The other student agreed to come on Friday to talk about their success story during the main event. She was unsure whether she could come on 2-3 August too due to her working schedule (it ain't cheap being a student in this country...) Anyway, I suggest anyone involved in the devnations initiatives be in or around the hall, where the talk about Africa is held, so we could gather with her after the talk and ask some useful questions. Dror K ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
