Re: [Wikimania-l] Unified Wikimania wiki

[Andrew Lih]

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Rehman Abubakr 
wrote:

> As earlier discussions on this topic received relatively little response
> from the community, I'm sending this email to let you know about the new
> topic posted at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Wikimania_wikis,
> with regards to having a single unified Wikimania wiki.
>

Comments inline:

>
> From what I understand from the above linked discussion, some key points
> against a unified Wikimania wiki was that:
>
> 1. We will not be able to preserve old Wikimania wikis as a "time capsule"
> 2. Older Wikimania organizers may face new organizers "steamrolling" over
> their pages
> 3. Organizers will not have complete control over the site as old admins
> might interrupt for whatever reasons. (or vice versa)
>
> My though for these points was:
>
> 1. Why not have each Wikimania project branch their pages as
> wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016/Main page, or alternatively, have
> separate namespaces for each project (i.e. 2016:, 2017:, etc). We could
> then protect all pages under a project (i.e. 2016/ or 2016:) once a project
> is over.
>

However, this doesn’t solve the problem of the “time capsule” goal above.
The MediaWiki software of 2006 is very different from that of 2016, so the
design and implementation of an old Wikimania site might be broken as
MediaWiki gets upgraded for subsequent years.

2. This could be avoided by protection, as stated above.
>

Protection doesn’t do it. If it was all on one wiki, a Wikimania organizing
team is somewhat handcuffed by the decisions of accrued, previous years in
terms of organization, naming and templating. Since each Wikimania has its
own flavor and goals, a separate wiki seems to be the most in keeping with
this. Also, with unified login, the case for forcing everyone onto one wiki
for Wikimania is less compelling. I suppose the question also is - what
problem are we trying to solve by making everyone use the same wiki each
year?


> 3. Make it much less complicated. Once the project is over, all previous
> admin rights will be revoked, and the new organizers will get the rights.
> New admins can be advise to not modify previous project namespaces, or if
> better, if we can block previous projects' namespaces from editing?
> Furthermore, there could be a bot logging all changes made to old project
> namespaces, for transparency.
>

Actually, doing all that technical work of revoking, making a bot, and what
you describe sounds like more work than making a new wiki! :)

Now this is not to say what you suggested is not a good idea. But it has to
fit the right community and goals. For example, at Wikiconference North
America/USA, we have pretty much what you have suggested:

https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2014/Main_Page
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2015/Main_Page
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Main_Page

But the reason why it’s the logical choice in our case of US/North America
– we are interested in continuity in the organizing team and principals. If
we can build on the efficiencies of each year for the next, so much the
better.

This is not something that is necessarily the case with Wikimania, because
of the change in the team, the goal of each Wikimania, and even the
languages of each Wikimania. They are very different each year, and each
team should have the freedom and flexibility to make it their own.

I don’t want to discourage new ways of thinking about Wikimania, it’s just
that this particular dimension seems like one of the more functional parts
of the conference.

-Andrew
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Unified Wikimania wiki

[Gnangarra]

It would be nice to see past events wrapped up into one journal covering
all aspects from original discussion until the final reporting of the event
including financials, attendee reports and media reports at the moment
everything is spread across chapter, foundation, event pages which means
lessons, pitfalls, successes, the work involved over time arent where
people can find easily

On 22 October 2016 at 17:56, rupert THURNER 
wrote:

> the points lodewijk mentioned with styles, and independent user groups
> working on it are quite valid points imo. additionally the purpose of a
> wiki is to collaborate on a purpose. if the purpose is gone, no wiki
> software is necessary. following that logic, one could argue to dump a past
> wikimania wiki into a static html page is best. search could be done via
> standard web search. if the wikis are not disturbing one could let them
> just sit where they are.
>
> rupert
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Lodewijk 
> wrote:
>
>> The discussion has now been moved to https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>> wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Wikimania_wikis apparently, where it will probably
>> also get archived not too distant in the future. I hope someone will post a
>> link here to that archive page.
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> 2016-10-22 11:07 GMT+02:00 Rehman Abubakr :
>>
>>> (cross-posting to Wikimania-l and Wikimedia-l)
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> As earlier discussions on this topic received relatively little response
>>> from the community, I'm sending this email to let you know about the new
>>> topic posted at https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>> wiki/Meta:Babel#Wikimania_wikis, with regards to having a single
>>> unified Wikimania wiki.
>>>
>>> I have copied the original post below for ease of reading. Please post
>>> your comments on the meta page.
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> Hi. I was looking at Special:SiteMatrix
>>>  and couldn't help
>>> noticing the whopping 14 separate wikis (and growing) for all the different
>>> Wikimanias, including a separate wiki for a "Wikimania team". Is there any
>>> current plans of a more sustainable or streamlined approach to running
>>> these wikis?
>>>
>>> I am aware that this has been discussed a few times before, but no
>>> significant effort was put into it. Wikimania project domain
>>>  is the most
>>> significant discussion which I could find, but participation was quite low
>>> on that, with no(?) WMF staff comments.
>>>
>>> From what I understand from the above linked discussion, some key points
>>> against a unified Wikimania wiki was that:
>>>
>>> 1. We will not be able to preserve old Wikimania wikis as a "time
>>> capsule"
>>> 2. Older Wikimania organizers may face new organizers "steamrolling"
>>> over their pages
>>> 3. Organizers will not have complete control over the site as old admins
>>> might interrupt for whatever reasons. (or vice versa)
>>>
>>> My though for these points was:
>>>
>>> 1. Why not have each Wikimania project branch their pages as
>>> wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016/Main page, or alternatively, have
>>> separate namespaces for each project (i.e. 2016:, 2017:, etc). We could
>>> then protect all pages under a project (i.e. 2016/ or 2016:) once a project
>>> is over.
>>> 2. This could be avoided by protection, as stated above.
>>> 3. Make it much less complicated. Once the project is over, all previous
>>> admin rights will be revoked, and the new organizers will get the rights.
>>> New admins can be advise to not modify previous project namespaces, or if
>>> better, if we can block previous projects' namespaces from editing?
>>> Furthermore, there could be a bot logging all changes made to old project
>>> namespaces, for transparency.
>>>
>>> Is there any other views on this? Did I miss something obvious? Looking
>>> forward to your comments. Cheers, Rehman.
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>
>>> User:Rehman 
>>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Unified Wikimania wiki

[Lodewijk]

The discussion has now been moved to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Wikimania_wikis apparently,
where it will probably also get archived not too distant in the future. I
hope someone will post a link here to that archive page.

Lodewijk

2016-10-22 11:07 GMT+02:00 Rehman Abubakr :

> (cross-posting to Wikimania-l and Wikimedia-l)
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> As earlier discussions on this topic received relatively little response
> from the community, I'm sending this email to let you know about the new
> topic posted at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Wikimania_wikis,
> with regards to having a single unified Wikimania wiki.
>
> I have copied the original post below for ease of reading. Please post
> your comments on the meta page.
>
>
> **
>
> Hi. I was looking at Special:SiteMatrix
>  and couldn't help
> noticing the whopping 14 separate wikis (and growing) for all the different
> Wikimanias, including a separate wiki for a "Wikimania team". Is there any
> current plans of a more sustainable or streamlined approach to running
> these wikis?
>
> I am aware that this has been discussed a few times before, but no
> significant effort was put into it. Wikimania project domain
>  is the most
> significant discussion which I could find, but participation was quite low
> on that, with no(?) WMF staff comments.
>
> From what I understand from the above linked discussion, some key points
> against a unified Wikimania wiki was that:
>
> 1. We will not be able to preserve old Wikimania wikis as a "time capsule"
> 2. Older Wikimania organizers may face new organizers "steamrolling" over
> their pages
> 3. Organizers will not have complete control over the site as old admins
> might interrupt for whatever reasons. (or vice versa)
>
> My though for these points was:
>
> 1. Why not have each Wikimania project branch their pages as
> wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016/Main page, or alternatively, have
> separate namespaces for each project (i.e. 2016:, 2017:, etc). We could
> then protect all pages under a project (i.e. 2016/ or 2016:) once a project
> is over.
> 2. This could be avoided by protection, as stated above.
> 3. Make it much less complicated. Once the project is over, all previous
> admin rights will be revoked, and the new organizers will get the rights.
> New admins can be advise to not modify previous project namespaces, or if
> better, if we can block previous projects' namespaces from editing?
> Furthermore, there could be a bot logging all changes made to old project
> namespaces, for transparency.
>
> Is there any other views on this? Did I miss something obvious? Looking
> forward to your comments. Cheers, Rehman.
>
> **
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> User:Rehman 
>
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[Wikimania-l] Unified Wikimania wiki

[Rehman Abubakr]

(cross-posting to Wikimania-l and Wikimedia-l)


Hi,


As earlier discussions on this topic received relatively little response from 
the community, I'm sending this email to let you know about the new topic 
posted at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Wikimania_wikis, with 
regards to having a single unified Wikimania wiki.

I have copied the original post below for ease of reading. Please post your 
comments on the meta page.


**

Hi. I was looking at 
Special:SiteMatrix and 
couldn't help noticing the whopping 14 separate wikis (and growing) for all the 
different Wikimanias, including a separate wiki for a "Wikimania team". Is 
there any current plans of a more sustainable or streamlined approach to 
running these wikis?

I am aware that this has been discussed a few times before, but no significant 
effort was put into it. Wikimania project 
domain is the most 
significant discussion which I could find, but participation was quite low on 
that, with no(?) WMF staff comments.

>From what I understand from the above linked discussion, some key points 
>against a unified Wikimania wiki was that:

1. We will not be able to preserve old Wikimania wikis as a "time capsule"
2. Older Wikimania organizers may face new organizers "steamrolling" over their 
pages
3. Organizers will not have complete control over the site as old admins might 
interrupt for whatever reasons. (or vice versa)

My though for these points was:

1. Why not have each Wikimania project branch their pages as 
wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016/Main page, or alternatively, have separate 
namespaces for each project (i.e. 2016:, 2017:, etc). We could then protect all 
pages under a project (i.e. 2016/ or 2016:) once a project is over.
2. This could be avoided by protection, as stated above.
3. Make it much less complicated. Once the project is over, all previous admin 
rights will be revoked, and the new organizers will get the rights. New admins 
can be advise to not modify previous project namespaces, or if better, if we 
can block previous projects' namespaces from editing? Furthermore, there could 
be a bot logging all changes made to old project namespaces, for transparency.

Is there any other views on this? Did I miss something obvious? Looking forward 
to your comments. Cheers, Rehman.

**



Thanks and regards,

User:Rehman
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