Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reinstatement of James Heilman

2016-02-26 Thread Lodewijk
While reinstating James Heilman (or rather, appointing him as replacement of Arnnon - I am assuming this is your suggestion?) may be a decision that is popular with a significant part of the community, I am uncertain how productive such a move would be. Especially now there is no more ED, I don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Pine W
Something that I would like to understand is why so much WMF information is cloaked under NDAs. It seems to me that this is philosophically at odds with the values of the community, makes for poor governance, and provides cover for opportunities for mischief. I hope that recent events will prompt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2016 Strategic Approaches Report

2016-02-26 Thread Ad Huikeshoven
Thanks for sharing, you have been working late on Friday night! Have a nice weekend, Ad Op 27 feb. 2016 07:25 schreef "Patrick Earley" : > Hello all, > > A summary report of the first stage of community consultation for the 2016 > Wikimedia Foundation strategy process has

[Wikimedia-l] 2016 Strategic Approaches Report

2016-02-26 Thread Patrick Earley
Hello all, A summary report of the first stage of community consultation for the 2016 Wikimedia Foundation strategy process has uploaded to Commons in PDF format.[1] This is in preparation for the second stage of consultation, which will begin on Meta next Friday, March 4. We will update when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Peter Southwood
On the surface it looks like an excellent idea. Should be considered seriously. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: Friday, 26 February 2016 12:16 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread George Herbert
On the Vision thing - There is a leadership vision, and an organizational/movement vision. The leader should articulate theirs. The organizational one needs to come from everyone but would likely be articulated by the ED after that process. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone > On Feb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Dan Andreescu
I loved the healthcare idea, sounded like such a positive thing. Until I thought about implementation details. Inevitably, there would have to be some connection to how active the editor was, otherwise we would have to get healthcare for millions of users. So then, even worse, if someone fell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
I would also like that. To be perfectly honest the NDAs are vague enough (deliberately) that it makes things very hard for anyone outside of counsel to really determine what might be a problem. From my perspective: so, as well as a prohibition on sharing anything we learn exclusively through our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread George Herbert
It would be a good thing if the Board and current or expected interim ED loosened up confidentiality on the employees. It helps internal morale and external confidence in reforms. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Oliver Keyes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
+1 to Keegan. I am glad you have spoken to staffers, Pete. I promise I can identify at least 300 other people that fall into that category too. On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Pete Forsyth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Pine W wrote: > I admit to being surprised by the depth of the division between the ED and > staff that we are hearing about. Thanks to the Signpost and internal leaks > we in the community knew about the low marks in the staff survey, but I >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread George Herbert
> On Feb 26, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Risker wrote: > > No, I think we've actually done a very superficial identification of the > problems. Some of them are so obvious that they are overwhelming the less > obvious but equally serious issues. > > Honestly, "we need a new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Comet styles
What kind of ED would you like to see? * Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge on how to "edit" wikis. * Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on. * Someone willing to work on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reinstatement of James Heilman

2016-02-26 Thread Comet styles
Well the keyword in "trustees" is the word "Trust" and as far as i can see James was the ONLY one that was forthcoming with what happened back in December, the others decided to keep their mouth shut and let it slide which obviously, made it worse and out of control.The community has over the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Comet styles
Lawrence Lessig is an excellent suggestion, probably would be my Candidate A for the job if he wasn't 'besties' with Jimmy Wales..we have already had issues with the staff and board working together in secrecy without the community's knowledge, we should not have to go through it again.. I agree

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > Still, my list is very much influenced by what I > have heard from staff, board, etc. over many months -- so it's not like > your seat is getting cold without you. :) > My seat without me in it would be the very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Anders Wennersten
Or perhaps a key problem is the recruitment process to the Board . Fort the community elected seats, wanted criteria were identified by the Board and clearly communicated (non-western, non English speakers) but was in practice ignores by the voters and where 3 out of the five getting most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Risker wrote: > > Honestly, "we need a new board" is probably not an issue. Risker, perhaps you missed this in my original message -- I did not express that we need a new board. Item #3 on my list was entirely under the heading: "The Board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Risker
No, I think we've actually done a very superficial identification of the problems. Some of them are so obvious that they are overwhelming the less obvious but equally serious issues. Honestly, "we need a new board" is probably not an issue. 40% of the board has been seated for less than a year,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
Risker and Brion: I very much agree with the principles you're stating, and am coming to realize I should have framed my message differently. There has actually been quite a lot of discussion of what the problems are, and I am basing my suggestions on the ones that I've personally seen a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Pine W
I admit to being surprised by the depth of the division between the ED and staff that we are hearing about. Thanks to the Signpost and internal leaks we in the community knew about the low marks in the staff survey, but I guess I didn't appreciate that the situation involved more than widespread

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Dan Garry
On 26 February 2016 at 16:57, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote: > Should only the staff have a say in this vision? Almost all, if not all, > of this talk is about what the staff wants. > You are correct that non-staff should have a say in the vision, of course. It affects

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Florence Devouard
Le 27/02/16 00:37, SarahSV a écrit : On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: However, if the core interest (as Sarah suggests) is to create paid opportunities for those who excel at Wikipedia writing and editing, those opportunities exist, and are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Dan Garry
On 26 February 2016 at 17:15, Brion Vibber wrote: > > * There is also a big need for private conversations, which means many/most > of these talks won't be recorded and definitely would not be made public in > detail. Many won't feel comfortable in a recorded conversation.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Brion Vibber
Strong +1 to Risker. Collecting ideas to work more on as we move forward: YES. Keeping the constructive attitude and opened comm channels I've seen here and and among staff internally: YES. But let's be deliberate, and considerate. We do have to learn and process before we implement anything.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reinstatement of James Heilman

2016-02-26 Thread Kevin Gorman
I'm responding to an off-list comment I received to clarify that my email wasn't at all meant to denigrate the work of all trustees. It's quite possible that there were other trustees pushing down the right path - but I would stand by the statement that James Heilman was the only trustee actively

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Brion Vibber
Just a quick note: * some of the big staff conversations are indeed being very carefully note-taken or recorded internally. We are being very careful to plan and communicate how open they will be ahead of time and keep them both honest and not scary. I would not expect them to be made public (the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Risker
I think in fairness that it is not just staff who are feeling this is all moving too fast. The overwhelming majority of community members, and in particular community members who don't read and speak English fluently, are likely to be pretty overwhelmed right now too. I am concerned that what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Greg Grossmeier
> Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the > results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from > the ED/Management. I think you're misinterpreting. The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Should only the staff have a say in this vision? Almost all, if not all, of this talk is about what the staff wants. > From: yastrak...@wikimedia.org > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 03:45:28 +0300 > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > However, I'm not trying to push things forward at a pace that's comfortable > *for me*, I'm trying to focus on things that will impact *what it's > possible to do*. > Oh absolutely, forge ahead. My message was in no

[Wikimedia-l] The reinstatement of James Heilman

2016-02-26 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi all - I understand that this idea has been discussed on other currently active threads, but in my opinion, it deserves a separate thread. To an informed observer, it was pretty obvious why James was removed to begin with, and to a casual observer, I'm guessing it's become obvious. It would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from the ED/Management. On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > > > Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
To Oliver and Keegan -- I hear you guys loud and clear, and I am very aware that the trauma of the last few months has taken this kind of toll. Although there is of course much I don't know, I have been talking with a number of staff, board, etc. for many months now about this. So to whatever

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Greg Grossmeier
> Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not > provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership, > that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader, > without providing any clear vision themselves. So is vision no longer a >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership, that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader, without providing any clear vision themselves. So is vision no longer a requirement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Brion Vibber
On Feb 26, 2016 3:30 PM, "Oliver Keyes" wrote: > > When I hear language about "ignoring those who are going to complain > no matter what" and, in an email premised on visiting and spending > time with staff, a distinction between the pool of people you'll be > talking to and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
I agree with what Pine said -- it's worthwhile to consider keeping a record of these conversations, at minimum for staff reference, even if making them all public is not desirable. Further to that point, I have found in many instances, involving a skilled professional facilitator or mediator, who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 02/26/2016 05:39 PM, Lodewijk wrote: I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED, Having more of an attitude stewardship over leadership .. i.e. this is not a place or space to primarily fulfil personal ambitions. Subbu.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Pine W
If I may make an even bolder proposal: these chats with Brion and Jimmy can be, with the consent of everyone involved in each particular meeting, video-recorded. Asking for the videos to be posted in public might be a step that's too uncomfortable for some people (although I think that the

[Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2016-02-26 Thread attolippip
+1 to Yurik best regards, antanana 2016-02-27 1:23 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan : > Lodewijk, this is a very valid point, thanks. My understanding is that > this process done in private has lost some of its credibility with the > staff and the community, and thus I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-02-26 6:39 PM, Lodewijk wrote: I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED, what kind of person you would be looking for - rather than specific people. Above all, and foremost amongst any quality an ED should have is to be an *excellent* communicator. I see

[Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Lodewijk
(changing the topic, to avoid doing myself what I criticise) I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED, what kind of person you would be looking for - rather than specific people. That would actually be an interesting and valuable discussion to have in public, I'd think.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread SarahSV
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > However, if the core interest (as Sarah suggests) is to create paid > opportunities for those who excel at Wikipedia writing and editing, those > opportunities exist, and are increasingly available. The money

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > I can't speak for Lila, nor should I try. But I know that for people > new to our world, it's really quite confusing. You hear a lot of voices > and if you've been around for long enough, you get to know which ones >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Lodewijk, this is a very valid point, thanks. My understanding is that this process done in private has lost some of its credibility with the staff and the community, and thus I would like to get some understanding on how we can do that same process in the open, without offending anyone. In the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Lodewijk
While I love public discussions, I must say I always feel a bit awkward to discuss people in public, unless there is no other choice. To discuss people without them agreeing to it, may even be considered rude by some. You're throwing up names, which can realistically only lead to people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
For the inside, I would think Yana W would be a good candidate, but as Raul Veede suggested on FB, it would be bad to loose her expertise in her current role. Dan, I think you are right that we are not yet ready to have a drop-in replacement simply because we should figure out what went wrong

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
+1. It's difficult without breaking fifteen NDAs to underscore exactly how shellshocked and traumatised staff are right now, dealing with all of this for 8 hours a day for 3-18 months, depending on the nature of their concerns. As the people most impacted by negative or positive changes to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
I'm agreed with Dan and Nathan (well, Nathan's implied point) both. Right now we need stability. I'd much prefer an interim ED appointed from inside the organisation or movement, ideally someone who has been watching what's been going on. And then time for healing and reflection in that space of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Dan Andreescu
I met him, he's amazingly focused and radical, I appreciate his brand of intellect very much. But I think suggesting candidates for the ED position at this time is jumping two steps ahead of where we are. We just screwed up. We were all dragged through months of an awkward collapse of our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
Lawrence Lessig has done wonderful things for the free culture movement (including making that very phrase famous!) I am pretty confident, given his recent interests, that he would not want this position,but he's well worth discussing anyway. Though I don't know Larry Lessig personally, I do know

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > I would like to continue the discussion of who, in an ideal case, would be > a good fit for the ED position. This person has to fit culturally, share > movement's values, and be a trusted figure in the time of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Keegan Peterzell
(slightly indirect to the topic, but not worth its own thread) Hey Pete, Thanks for your time and reflection, and that extend to everyone else, with this and related topics over the past month. Wikimedia-l has actually been a refreshing kind of place, where cautious respect and rational

[Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I would like to continue the discussion of who, in an ideal case, would be a good fit for the ED position. This person has to fit culturally, share movement's values, and be a trusted figure in the time of rebuilding. Lawrence Lessig seems to have a very strong support in the community, and even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread
Thanks for considering being the interim CEO Jimmy. Your visit sounds useful, especially "I want to better understand the outlines of what staff want from their next ED, so that information can be used to help guide the search." Fortunate for the trustees who are less proactive, that they can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

2016-02-26 Thread Tanel Pern
Congratulations and good luck! 2016-02-26 1:02 GMT+02:00 Maggie Dennis : > Hello, all. > > I am delighted to announce that Katy Love has agreed to step into the role > of Director of Resources in the Community Engagement department, picking up > the baton so ably carried

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
Thank you Yaroslav for this very important addition. Yes, let's call it #6 (even if it should be higher :) In terms of specific next steps, Anthony Cole offered a very compelling point about transparency on Meta Wiki:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/26/16 10:39 AM, GorillaWarfare wrote: > > frankly, Vibber's communications with the Wikimedia community outside of > > the Foundation have far surpassed yours in clarity and transparency. I > hope > > that you will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2016-02-26 21:20, Pete Forsyth wrote: All: Now that Wikimedia's Executive Director is leaving, a central point of contention has been resolved. But as many have said, the "real work" of getting back on track comes next. I have been thinking about what the next specific steps should be, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Lodewijk
I'm guessing speculation at this point is just moot. The board will be deciding on this, and most likely in silence. If you have candidates, the best way to make their case is to send their names to someone on the board. I'm assuming they will at least announce soon a contact point for such

[Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
All: Now that Wikimedia's Executive Director is leaving, a central point of contention has been resolved. But as many have said, the "real work" of getting back on track comes next. I have been thinking about what the next specific steps should be, and I have some suggestions here. I present

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/26/16 3:46 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > Hmm. I wonder if Jimmy is going to be named the interim bosssomeone has > to be. No, that isn't going to happen. There has been some staff and board advocacy of it - the idea has been floated - but although I took the idea seriously enough to think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

2016-02-26 Thread Thyge
I'm also in strong support of Maggie - no exception this time :) Thyge 2016-02-26 19:08 GMT+01:00 Sydney Poore : > I completely agree with Maggie that promoting Katy Love was the smart > decision. We need someone who can step in and quickly provide strong > leadership. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/26/16 10:39 AM, GorillaWarfare wrote: > How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the > rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who will be instrumental in > shaping the changes that will happen to the WMF in the near future? Through email, Google hangout meetings, and in person

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Jimmy Wales
On 2/25/16 2:16 AM, Risker wrote: > And I'll say that if I was going to favour paying anyone, it would be paying > qualified translators to > support smaller projects... I'd find a pilot project to do something like this very exciting. ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
Regarding the Wikimedia Foundation paying editors, brokering paid editing to displace the role of PR agencies, etc.: Since 2009, my full time work has centered on this area, in providing solid advice to companies and other organizations on how to engage ethically and effectively with Wikipedia.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we too rigid?

2016-02-26 Thread WereSpielChequers
As a former techie I find phabricator a difficult environment to bug report in or lobby for a change. I sympathise with anyone as technical than me or less who ventures there. Sometimes I'm left scratching my head and wondering whether the closing of a bug or request and redirecting to one that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

2016-02-26 Thread Sydney Poore
I completely agree with Maggie that promoting Katy Love was the smart decision. We need someone who can step in and quickly provide strong leadership. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Maggie Dennis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Florence Devouard
Le 26/02/16 16:46, Theo10011 a écrit : Hmm. I wonder if Jimmy is going to be named the interim bosssomeone has to be. Speechless... Finding an ED is a long painful process, something that is bound to get more difficult after Lila and Arnon. The only question is, if the board brings back

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

2016-02-26 Thread Gregory Varnum
I am delighted to see Katy stepping into this role, which IMHO needed to be filled urgently. Congratulations, Katy! You are going to do amazing! :) -greg (User:Varnent) > On Feb 26, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Maggie Dennis wrote: > > Hello, Ruslan. > > Yes, Katy is stepping

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

2016-02-26 Thread Maggie Dennis
Hello, Ruslan. Yes, Katy is stepping into the role in a permanent, full-time basis. Determining HR direction is not my role. :) Stating how the Board feels about open hiring is also not my place (and I don't know). But I am happy to share my own opinion. While some roles will and should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Theo10011
Hmm. I wonder if Jimmy is going to be named the interim bosssomeone has to be. Finding an ED is a long painful process, something that is bound to get more difficult after Lila and Arnon. The only question is, if the board brings back someone or chooses to promote/move someone around. Food

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > > Diplomacy requires talking to your enemies as well as your friends. (And in > the real world, we are rarely all one or the other.) > > -- brion Yes, that I can see, and well said. Andreas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2016-02-26 16:23, Risker wrote: Andreas, I think you are being unfair here. Whatever anyone's personal opinion of Jimmy, the bottom line is that WMF staff have expressed that the Board has not been listening to them. Jimmy is a board member. He's directly saying "I'm coming to listen to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Lodewijk
#Iamwithrisker On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Risker wrote: > Andreas, I think you are being unfair here. Whatever anyone's personal > opinion of Jimmy, the bottom line is that WMF staff have expressed that the > Board has not been listening to them. Jimmy is a board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Risker
Andreas, I think you are being unfair here. Whatever anyone's personal opinion of Jimmy, the bottom line is that WMF staff have expressed that the Board has not been listening to them. Jimmy is a board member. He's directly saying "I'm coming to listen to you". And he's being transparent about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Brion Vibber
On Friday, February 26, 2016, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Brion, > > I understand you and Jimmy Wales go way, way back. But what is the point of > "coming together" with someone who, just hours before the Knowledge Engine > grant agreement was released, insisted, Diplomacy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-02-26 Thread Denny Vrandecic
In order to avoid misunderstandings, would you please clarify what you mean with "fully vetted"? This term can mean so many different things, and I want to make sure. On Feb 26, 2016 05:32, "Comet styles" wrote: > I was banned on this mailing list last month for pointing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Brion, I understand you and Jimmy Wales go way, way back. But what is the point of "coming together" with someone who, just hours before the Knowledge Engine grant agreement was released, insisted, ---o0o--- 'To make this very clear: no one in top positions has proposed or is proposing that WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-26 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > Itzik, what were the equivalent budgets for Haifa? From the post-mortem on > Meta it looks like a $280K budget, and a $100K WMF grant. This included > paying for the event coordinator, which is now budgeted separately.

[Wikimedia-l] Call for posters, discussions and trainings at Wikimania opened

2016-02-26 Thread Ginevra Sanvitale
(Sorry for the crossposting) Hi people, the calls for posters, discussions and trainings for Wikimania 2016 are officially opened, you can find all the relevant links on the conference wiki: https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions The calls will be closed on March 20. Posters will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-02-26 Thread Comet styles
I was banned on this mailing list last month for pointing out Lila's incompetency as a leader..I just hope the next ED we have is fully vetted before they are selected and I'm really hoping that we get someone with a "wikipedia" background for a change.. Why don't we hire someone who know the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Pharos
This classic science fiction novel comes to mind... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz And a shout-out to User:Daniel The Monk, our resident NYC Monastapedian :) Thanks, Pharos On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:51 AM, Ed Saperia wrote: > A Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:39 AM, GorillaWarfare wrote: > I would be curious to hear precisely what you hope to accomplish from your > trip to San Francisco. How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the > rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Jane Darnell
We could help them by making Wikipedia pages about registration agencies, European immigration laws, and/or uploading sample forms that they could translate into their own languages. On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > If we want to make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Brion Vibber
Poo has indeed hit fans, as the metaphor goes. But that's hardly the time to STOP talking. I'll be coming down to the SF office as well next week to talk directly with Jimmy and with any staff (and board members!) who want to plan or brainstorm or vent or just share a moment of "aggghhh!" and I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread
Enjoy your trip Jimmy. It's been about 20 years since I last travelled there. Let me know if you want me to join you for a strategic chat. Please consider declaring your conflicts of interest and conflicts of loyalty more publicly, or changing your role away from being a voting WMF trustee, say

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Pierre-Selim
Ruslan it's different. Way different I would say, being head of staff is the role of the ED (when not steping down). A board member messing with that is doing something bad for the organization. If a board member is not happy with the result of the ED, his option is simple, talk about it with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The right time is now!

2016-02-26 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2016-02-26 00:16, Sydney Poore wrote: The idea of a non-voting seat for a non C-level employee is something that I could support. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration Actually, it could be more observers (non-voting seats) than just one;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread GorillaWarfare
I would be curious to hear precisely what you hope to accomplish from your trip to San Francisco. How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who will be instrumental in shaping the changes that will happen to the WMF in the near future? How do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Ruslan Takayev
Jimmy, et al As yet, we have yet to have coherent believable reasoning for the removal of James Heilman from the BoT, but one of the reasons that has been put out there (rightly or wrongly) is that James was talking to staff about the state of affairs at the WMF. Is this trip not the exact same

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If we want to make a difference, a real difference, we enable refugees in refugee camps to edit Wikipedia. They have nothing to do, they are often well educated. It is wonderful when they can because it not only gives them something to do, it gives them a sense of self-worth and this prevents

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Actually I went last year to a winter retreat in Plum Village, a mindfulness monastery in southern France, and the focus was cultivating civility (loving-kindness they call it) and inner peace. I thought, well, if besides of that one could contribute free knowledge here I would join right away :)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Peter Southwood
With vows of civility and NPOV -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ed Saperia Sent: Friday, 26 February 2016 10:51 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Jane Darnell
Healthcare!!! On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:39 AM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying them > cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place to stay, > food and healthcare. That is how many volunteer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Ed Saperia
A Wikimedia monastery! ^_^ Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Feb 2016, at 08:39, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > > I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying them > cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place to stay, > food and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying them cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place to stay, food and healthcare. That is how many volunteer programs work, like workaway or woofing, and I don't see anything wrong with it. Would it be an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

2016-02-26 Thread Ruslan Takayev
Maggie, et al Is Katy "stepping into" the role on a full-time, permanent basis? I ask this question, as questions I asked relating to the "new, open approach" towards recruitment at the WMF are yet to be answered[1] and I don't recall there being any advertisements as a call for applications to