Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear All, I can only agree with GorillaWarfare. I am also tired of having to proove anything concernig gender has to be perfect, when the whole principle of Wikipedia is that everything is always perfectible. I think we should assume good faith and avoid comments. Doing nothing about the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread GorillaWarfare
Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points. I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that this will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in the document

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread GorillaWarfare
Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her email address. "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Gnangarra
No worries Keegan I read it as sarcastic, given the amount of noise on here I chose my tone intentionally to draw attention to the competition, yes it looks like a wonderful idea until to look at the mechanics of comeptition given it has a start time in 2 weeks, people are being encourage to start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gergő Tisza wrote: > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell > wrote: > > > "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia > > articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Sydney Poore
Nah, the contest is about motivating people to write about a topic area that is not there normal bailiwick. That is fine thing to do because the unintended consequences of being written on a wiki, English Wikipedia initially attracted people who were less interested in writing about women than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Todd Allen
If I misread that part, my apologies. That still doesn't change the core issue, that money is being offered, and that it's being offered for quantity rather than quality. On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Gergo Tisza wrote: > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Todd Allen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Todd Allen
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > > > Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here. > > > > > ​I didn't. I'm calling out the tone. > ​ > I care if someone's right or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Todd Allen wrote: > This project is going for 100k articles. There are as of this writing 118 > editors signed up. That is, even if we presume 100% participation (which is > generally wildly optimistic), nearly 1000 articles per editor to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia > articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's nothing to > write about here." > > That's basically what your email says. No

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > I cant believe this > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_ > in_Red/The_World_Contest > has got WMF funding, the idea of trying to create 100,000 stub articles on > english wikipedia without any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you read the article you link to, it is explicitly about destubification and not about new stubs. Given this intend, I do not see it as a problem. Actually I do not mind more women entries in Wikidata.. But hey, that is my thing :_ Thanks, GerardM On 15 October 2017 at 16:02,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Anders Wennersten
WMSE has run programs with this focus for more then 3 years on svwp. The result have been roughly 2-3 generated more then 1000 articles 15-25 generated more then 100 articles 100-200 more then 10 articles around 500 at least one giving a total of a bit more the 1 new articles of women. And

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Peter Southwood
Have you looked at the list of signed up contributors? Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gnangarra Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2017 4:03 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red I cant believe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > >> Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here. >> >> > ​I didn't. I'm calling out the tone. > ​ > >> We've already had horrible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here. > > ​I didn't. I'm calling out the tone. ​ > We've already had horrible projects to write tons of stubs before, like the > "place" bots. And in those cases, we'd know at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Todd Allen
Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here. We've already had horrible projects to write tons of stubs before, like the "place" bots. And in those cases, we'd know at least roughly what they would do and how. This project is going for 100k articles. There are as of this writing 118 editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > I cant believe this > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_ > in_Red/The_World_Contest > has > got WMF funding, the idea of trying to create 100,000 stub articles on > english wikipedia without any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread James Salsman
There are still over 2,700 known notable women scientists without stubs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_occupation/Scientists And those are just the women scientists who made it on to Wikidata but not Wiktionary somehow. The old ISI/Thompson

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
"The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's nothing to write about here." That's basically what your email says. No complaints when the subject is anything else from you, when these thematic editing are held on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread James Heilman
Correction: There is a tool that automatically checks for copyright infringement. It is called CopyPatrol https://tools.wmflabs.org/copypatrol/en James On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > I cant believe this >

[Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Gnangarra
I cant believe this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/The_World_Contest has got WMF funding, the idea of trying to create 100,000 stub articles on english wikipedia without any thought to how it'll impact on the community. I find it ironic that a competition is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-10-15 Thread Balázs Viczián
Hi Asaf et All, Hope I won't get skipped because I barely talk on this list or in general on an international level but this proposal could have a long term effect on my chapter. Happy to see WMF is ready to start giving up at least a bit on geography or census numbers and shift focus to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMFR financials, 1.2 mio budget, team of 15 FTE

2017-10-15 Thread Hélène
Hello, Wikimédia France never had 15 paid employees at the same time. But if you include members' work (and specially Board members' work), you easily get 15 Full-time equivalent... This number is a better representation of Wikimédia France's activity than 10 FTE (real size of the staff this