Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell, Erik!

2019-02-07 Thread Erik Moeller
Thank you, Erik, for helping Wikimedia to know itself! I've always appreciated the incredibly rich detail in your reports, your willingness to unpack the awesome complexity of the wiki-verse, and your insistence that this knowledge should be as free and open as the Wikimedia projects are. I've

[Wikimedia-l] Jamal Khashoggi's call to action

2018-10-17 Thread Erik Moeller
Up until recently, Saudi Arabian journalist Jamal Khashoggi worked for the Washington Post. What happened to him? I couldn't say it better than Wikipedia: [1] (begin quote) On 2 October 2018, Khashoggi entered the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul to obtain documents related to his

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-04-09 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 12:46 AM, Leinonen Teemu wrote: > I have been looking for social networking service that would be fair: not > abusing > personal data, funded by community, respecting privacy, accepting anonymity, > free/libre/ open source etc. Haven’t found many.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects

2018-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Strainu wrote: >> Personally, I'd love to see WMF or a chapter set up a public Mastodon >> instance; the project has matured significantly since its first >> release and is at least a viable free/open alternative to the >> Twitter-ish forms

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects

2018-02-28 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 5:31 PM, James Heilman wrote: > I am not seeing any link to Facebook here? > > https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeniyetm%C9%99_(roman) It's part of a banner, not sure the banner is set to 100%. It says: "Azərbaycanca Vikipediya ilə daim əlaqədə olmaq üçün

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > I think it would be good to do some legal work to gain that clarity. The > Amazon Echo issue, with the Echo potentially using millions of words from > Wikipedia without any kind of attribution and indication of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:51 AM, James Salsman wrote: > Erik, > > Should interactive web, internet of things, or offline services > relying on Foundation encyclopedia CC-BY-SA content be required to > attribute authorship by specifying the revision date from which the >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Wikidata has its own problems in that regard that have triggered ongoing > discussions and concerns on the English Wikipedia.[1] Tensions between different communities with overlapping but non-identical objectives are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-09 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > ... and it will all become one free mush everyone copies to make a buck. We > are already in a situation today where anyone asking Siri, the Amazon Echo, > Google or Bing about a topic is likely to get the same answer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-03 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Reading between the lines of statements like "Knowledge as a service", > "essential infrastructure", "tools for allies and partners to organize and > exchange free knowledge beyond Wikimedia", etc., my sense is that the >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing list usability: Observations about Mailman 3

2017-08-17 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 7:59 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: >> A somewhat related ticket about trying to unify our discussion platforms >> was discussed in a session at Wikimania: >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155678 > Interesting thanks for the pointer. Compared to

[Wikimedia-l] Mailing list usability: Observations about Mailman 3

2017-08-14 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, The topic of list usability has come up here a few times in the past, and efforts have been made over the years to pilot alternative forum systems like Discourse, or to redirect more conversations to talk pages. Yet the mailing lists continue to be used for a significant share of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-28 Thread Erik Moeller
Jimmy- I think it's a great initiative! First, kudos for using the CC-BY license. I have reviewed a large number of nonprofit journalism outlets over the last few months [1], and this decision alone would set the project apart from even the public interest media sphere. There are only a few

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-02 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Stuart Prior wrote: > As an example, anthropogenic climate change is a politically sensitive > issue, but how can a consensus-driven movement not take into account that > 97% of climate scientists acknowledge its existence > ? > [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > For example... the message "one in six people visited another country in > 2016"... illustrated by "SeaTac Airport protest against immigration ban. > Sit-in blocking arrival gates until 12 detainees at Sea-Tac are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-04 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Mike Godwin wrote: > (2) As I put it many times many years ago in the years before and > after the SOPA/PIPA blackout, there are few POVs *less* neutral than > the commitment to give all the information in the world to everyone > for free. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] With my thanks to everyone ...

2016-07-13 Thread Erik Moeller
Geoff -- Many thanks for all you've done for the movement! You helped take the WMF to a new level of professionalism, built a fantastic team, and led it during some of the most pivotal moments in the organization's history. During our years of working together, I deeply admired your dedication to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-08 Thread Erik Moeller
Hey Denny -- Kudos for your well-reasoned decision, and for your service on the Board during a very challenging time. One of the beautiful things about Wikimedia is how much scope you can have to move things forward without any special roles or affiliation. I very much look forward to reading

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-24 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-21 13:53 GMT-07:00 Mark A. Hershberger : > We've since held three meetings[3][4][5] and have planned two more. > During the meeting planned for about six weeks from now[6], we intend > to have a format that allows us to respond to questions or concerns from > the larger

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-24 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-24 3:35 GMT-07:00 Andre Engels : >> Since the "Mediawiki" trademark was lost to WMF the day you and >> Anthere placed the logo into public domain [1], how can the WMF now >> spin-off this new organization ?. > That's incorrect, putting something in the public

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-19 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-17 22:54 GMT-07:00 Pine W : > I agree that these options should be explored. I'm wondering what the best > way would be to facilitate this conversation. > > Perhaps, Erik, would you be willing to set up a page on Meta for discussion? Hi Pine, Thanks for the comments!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-19 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-18 9:01 GMT-07:00 Sydney Poore : Hi Sydney! > Right now the central hub of the global movement is WMF. Despite other > recent problems. The WMF is doing a great job of regularly communicating > about the world wide movement. > > There needs to be a successful

[Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-19 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to expand on an idea that’s been touched on a few times (most recently, in an editorial by William Beutler [1]): the notion that WMF might be a more effective organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off

Re: [Wikimedia-l] any open search engine for web project starting

2016-03-19 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-18 21:44 GMT-07:00 SarahSV : > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 5:17 PM, carl hansen > wrote: > >> https://about.commonsearch.org/ >> >> "We are building a nonprofit search engine for the Web" >> >> Sounds alot like Knowledge Engine, if there were

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation executive transition update

2016-03-10 Thread Erik Moeller
Congratulations to the Board and to Katherine! It is good to see the organization led by a person with such a strong and proven commitment to human rights, access to knowledge, and transparency. I've also been deeply impressed by all the work Katherine has done in her previous role at WMF. Best

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-10 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-09 23:21 GMT-08:00 SarahSV : >> And no, I'm not a fan how things have played out so far, and I'm not >> arguing for just moving on without addressing remaining grievances. >> But this isn't how we should move forward. > Erik, what do you see as the alternative?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-09 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-09 16:56 GMT-08:00 Pete Forsyth : > I feel this message can provide important insight into the dynamics > surrounding James H.'s dismissal, and various people have expressed > interest in seeing it, so I'm forwarding it to the list. (For what it's > worth, I did

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-02 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-02 23:22 GMT-08:00 Erik Moeller <eloque...@gmail.com>: > Jimmy made a couple of suggestions earlier [1], including to publish > all presentations given to the Board and to have a trusted community > observer. "Nearly all", to paraphrase accurately, and on re-readi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-02 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-02 22:56 GMT-08:00 Chris Sherlock : > Let’s have the Board meetings be recorded. If they cannot be recorded, > then I’d like the WMF to improve their meeting minutes. Jimmy made a couple of suggestions earlier [1], including to publish all presentations given

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-03-01 21:32 GMT-08:00 Andreas Kolbe : > The gift from the Brin Wojcicki Foundation is of a little bit of interest, > because its public announcement[3][5] came a mere three days after the > Wikimedia Foundation said[9] I see we're moving the goalposts back to an earlier

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-02-29 23:19 GMT-08:00 David Emrany : > so reading your email, we also recall these quotes from the time of the > Stanton Foundation fiasco ? [1] > > "The Executive Director and Chief Revenue Officer agree that in the > future, any grants that are not unrestricted will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Erik Moeller
> Anne, I have mentioned several times in the past few days here on this list > Sue Gardner's 2008 email suggesting that the WMF enter into an "umbrella > relationship/agreement" or "business deal" with Google. In case you missed > it, here is the link again: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-02-29 19:24 GMT-08:00 Chris Sherlock : > With the greatest of respect, I'm not sure how could come to the conclusion > that general > Internet search was not a core component of the Knowledge Engine. It's important to remember that this is a $250K grant, with a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-27 Thread Erik Moeller
Chris, It's good to read you here and on WW. I think you're raising legitimate points that others have also sought progress on. I would just suggest one thing. Right now the Wikimedia Foundation is going through an ED transition, impacting nearly 300 staff members most immediately. The Board's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-02-25 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-02-25 12:19 GMT-08:00 Gayle Karen Young : > I know this isn't easy - not on the Board, not on the senior staff, not on > the staff, and not on Lila. > I'm so sorry and sad for all of us where this has come to, and there is an > enormous amount of goodwill and skill in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-22 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-02-22 1:26 GMT-08:00 Tim Starling : > I don't think it is plausible, given the data collected at: > > > > 25,000 new users were put into an HHVM bucket, so the whole site was > twice as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Post mortems (second attempt)

2016-02-22 Thread Erik Moeller
2016-02-22 1:14 GMT-08:00 Yaroslav M. Blanter : > Absolutely. This is absolutely what happened. At some point I had to state > that if FLOW gets introduced on all talk pages I would stop using talk > pages. I was replied that they are sorry but this is my choice. Our early

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-22 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi Lila, Thanks for the message. I won't go into this and the other aspects of the current situation in detail -- I think this is an important conversation primarily with current staff and active community members --, but I'll respond to a couple points that I think are important, and for which I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is now complete [2]. That wasn't too bad. Nicely done. :-) Kudos to you, Kunal everyone else involved in finally bringing this one home. Eloquence~metawiki ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A transition and a new chapter.

2015-04-13 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi all -- As Lila noted, since January 2008 I've worn many hats at the Wikimedia Foundation, and in the six years before that I was a Wikipedian, MediaWiki developer, and member of the WMF board of trustees. I became involved in Wikipedia when I was 22 years old. :) The Wikimedia movement has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland's new Executive Director will be Christian Rickerts

2015-03-02 Thread Erik Moeller
Thanks for the update, Tim Moritz, and congratulations on a successful search. Christian -- willkommen in der Wikimedia-Bewegung und viel Erfolg! :-) -- Erik Möller VP of Product Strategy, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia OTRS Annual Report

2015-02-25 Thread Erik Moeller
Patrik and everyone else involved in this -- this is pretty amazing work. Thanks for everything you do, and thank you for documenting it so clearly. -- Erik Möller VP of Product Strategy, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Types of allowed projects for grant funding (renamed)

2015-02-21 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:19 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Erik seems to be pushing toward a model that favors using OAuth and the MediaWiki API over deep integration that comes with a MediaWiki extension. He recently mentioned this here:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-13 Thread Erik Moeller
And if you do like the technical detail, James just sent a full recap of last week's triage to wikitech-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-February/080803.html -- Erik Möller VP of Product Strategy, Wikimedia Foundation ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2016

2015-01-20 Thread Erik Moeller
Kudos to the team and to the jury for daring to try something totally new exciting for Wikimania 2016 that sounds just a little bit crazy. :D I am hugely looking forward to being part of this -- and I think everyone who signs up to come will do so in the spirit of exploration adventure in which

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Tilman Bayer joins Product Strategy Department

2015-01-07 Thread Erik Moeller
FYI :) -- Forwarded message -- From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org Date: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:50 PM Subject: Tilman Bayer joins Product Strategy Department To: Staff All wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi all, It’s my pleasure to announce that Tilman Bayer is joining

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: Wikipedia Zero should be newly framed as a leading example of Public Free Knowledge. Hey Jens, I think your line of argument here is reasonable, and we are generally thinking in the direction of how Wikipedia can be part

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner interfering with Google results

2014-12-07 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi all, For the record, we've been able to confirm that our fixes, which were already deployed Thursday, immediately addressed the issue on our end. Google also picked up the updated robots.txt already on December 4, according to Google Webmaster Tools. GoogleBot, for better or for worse,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner interfering with Google results

2014-12-07 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: I can confirm that my edit to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushuaia_%E2%80%93_Malvinas_Argentinas_International_Airport has now fixed the issue in Google search as it relates to that article, but the issue still

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: I think it's more than worrying that many of the results have the fundraising message as a summary. Yep, this is very problematic. Even though the content is JavaScript-generated, Google crawls it unless it's explicitly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Au Revoir from WMUK CEO

2014-11-12 Thread Erik Moeller
Jon -- Thank you all the hard work for the movement, and for building a great team and great foundations! Hope to see you in different corners of the movement globe. Warmly, Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Product Strategy, Wikimedia Foundation ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters and GLAM tooling

2014-11-10 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Indeed, highly specialized tools for the cultural and education sector _are_ being developed and hosted inside Tool Labs or externally. Looking at the current OAuth consumer requests [5], there are submissions

[Wikimedia-l] Update regarding WMF's reporting practices

2014-11-05 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi all -- Starting this month, WMF will be shifting its organization-wide reports from a monthly to a quarterly cadence. This reflects our growth as an organization, and is intended to make important developments more visible internally and externally. == Background == Shortly after Sue became

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters and GLAM tooling

2014-10-25 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 7:16 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Labs is a playground and Galleries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums are serious enough to warrant a proper investment of resources, in my view. Magnus and many others develop magnificent tools, but my sense is that they're

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters and GLAM tooling

2014-10-24 Thread Erik Moeller
Just pinging this thread -- looking through all the proposals for annual plan grants: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikimedia_%C3%96sterreich/Proposal_form https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2014-2015_round1/Wikimedia_UK/Proposal_form

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-10-14 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: An answer would be appreciated... I know you've been in touch w/ the mobile web team since this thread, but just to close the loop for the record: Nearby (now re-implemented in native code and with a new UI) is part of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-09 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure a Board member, Lila, or Erik will correct me if I am mistaken, but my understanding is that there is internal agreement at Board level that the Product side of the org needs some systemic changes, that Lila was

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing Guillaume Paumier as Senior Analyst / SF relo

2014-10-07 Thread Erik Moeller
FYI - belatedly forwarding after internal announcement: - - - Hi folks, Guillaume Paumier has been Technical Communications Manager in the Engineering Community Team since early 2011. In this role, he's been instrumental in developing the monthly engineering reports (including all the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Damon Sicore joins WMF as Vice President of Engineering

2014-09-29 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:10 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Re: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:Staff_and_contractors What's the timeline for re-organizing the current Engineering and Product Development group? End of 2014, the first quarter of 2015, sooner, later?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF September 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, October 2, 18:00 UTC

2014-09-29 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Praveena. For future meetings, could you set up a place on Meta where people can make requests and suggestions for presentation topics? Please post any such requests/suggestions on the talk page for the pending meeting,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-18 Thread Erik Moeller
Ori and ... Aaron Schulz, Alexandros Kosiaris, Brad Jorsch, Brandon Black, Brett Simmers, Bryan Davis, Chad Horohoe, Chris Steipp, Erik Bernhardson, Faidon Liambotis, Filippo Giunchedi, Giuseppe Lavagetto, Greg Grossmeier, Jack McBarn, Katie Filbert, Kunal Mehta, Mark Bergsma, Max Semenik,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-09 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:22 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 September 2014 05:46, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Those of us who presently use talk pages to get the work done. What is going to make us *love* Flow, for all its imperfections, and demand to have it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback with Android on Commons

2014-09-08 Thread Erik Moeller
Yann, The Commons app would need lots of love to continue to be worth advertising as a mainline app. It's not been updated since October, and code rot sets in after a while (I can easily reproduce crashes when logging in with an account that has pre-existing uploads, which it tries to display

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow - it does not flow

2014-09-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: As I wrote to Risker, I think it's worth considering spending some development time on turning something like the Teahouse gadget (which allows one click insertion of replies on the Teahouse Q/A page) into a Beta Feature

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow - it does not flow

2014-09-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: - Gabriel Wicke has done some experimentation with this as well, and is looking if he can dig up the old code for me. Very old indeed, but if anyone wants to take a look: https://github.com/gwicke/wikiforum -- Erik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: The major deficiencies that have long been identified in the current discussion system (and that can be addressed by technology) are all able to be addressed in MediaWiki software or by extensions. Automatic signatures have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: That's a legitimate question, although it's not as radically divorced as you would think; ultimately it'll use the VisualEditor (probably with a simplified toolbar by default) just like Flow does. .. just like article

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upload Wizard work (was Re: Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments)

2014-09-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2014-09-04 12:34 GMT+05:30 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: the most urgent and important thing is to fix the UploadWizard. This is indeed underway

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Something that that would be useful is a video demonstration of Flow in action. That could be handy, Pine. But sometimes you can't demonstrate all benefits yet, because they don't even exist in the implementation yet -- only in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Have the successes and failures of the existing approaches and tools been considered? Are things LQT got right present in Flow? Some, yes (remember Andrew and Brandon have worked on both LQT and Flow) -- in other cases the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Erik, One huge thing is that article talk pages are not only for discussions, but also for metadata (article assessments, history, Wikiproject data, as examples from the English Wikipedia). The top of the talk page also, on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow - it does not flow

2014-09-06 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: There is one notable exception to the above, which is talk page header templates. One expects updates to a template used as a talk page header to update every page the template is currently transcluded on, which is not

[Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-05 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi all, I'm breaking out this discussion about Flow/talk pages (apologies for repeatedly breaking the megathread, but this is a well-scoped subject which deserves its own thread). Fundamentally, there's one key question to answer for talk pages in Wikimedia projects: Do we want discussions to

[Wikimedia-l] Upload Wizard work (was Re: Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments)

2014-09-04 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: the most urgent and important thing is to fix the UploadWizard. This is indeed underway, and has been for some time, with focus on bug fixes and code quality improvements. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/UploadWizard,n,z

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-26 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you take a look at the mobile experience in a desktop browser, you'll find it not so different from many redesigns - large, readable text, narrower measure, deliberately chosen typography, minimal clutter, easier

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:54 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: is the conflict not only triggered by a deliverable which was not good enough? it did not include the authors in its use cases. the deliverable e.g. did include one click more for the authors workflow. which make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-21 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I am curious to hear your thoughts about the proposed Technology Committee. That idea has some community support and had been discussed at some length on the WMF Board Noticeboard. I think it has merits if it's mostly used as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-20 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: Nonetheless, I'm having difficulty understanding how these two statements: the Wikimedia Foundation reserves the right to determine the final configuration of the MediaViewer feature, We’re absolutely not saying

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-20 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:48 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: [1] http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force I meant to say - the one example where we've tried targeted task forces that I can think of was this one, as part of the strategy process years ago. IIRC some of the task

[Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-19 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, This is a response to Martin's note here: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-August/073936.html .. and also a more general update on the next steps regarding disputes about deployments. As you may have seen, Lila has also posted an update to her talk page, here:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:41 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Is there anything that the German Wikipedia could do to convince you to disable MediaViewer there? Some percentage of active users showing up to say so? Some percentage of users (logged-in or otherwise) disabling the feature?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-13 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: In favor of the Media Viewer software is a bunch of inquiry and analysis Restoring the default state of the software to the state that worked for the last decade is a clear precondition for healthier discussion of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: I'll be writing a longer post on the Meta RFC later, but can you confirm whether the idea is to superprotect key interface pages like [[Mediawiki:common.js]] on a permanent basis, or will this feature only be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-12 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: It's probably fine for modern viewing, although it's hard to guess that you get to the file page via the little Commons icon for people who (in all likelihood) have never seen that icon, or visited Commons. Dear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-10 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, Admins are currently given broad leeway to customize the user experience for all users, including addition of site-wide JS, CSS, etc. These are important capabilities of the wiki that have been used for many clearly beneficial purposes. In the long run, we will want to apply a code

Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:47 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Yep. At least one of the on-wiki comments by a liaison made me do a double-take as it had the tone of your call is very important to us, please stay on the line and a representative will be with you shortly. Sure, sometimes

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing Arthur Richards as Team Practices Manager

2014-07-24 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, It’s my great pleasure to announce Arthur Richards as Team Practices Manager for WMF. Arthur will lead a group of ScrumMasters and coaches to scale up our ability to support teams in developing robust processes for software delivery. In this new role, Arthur will report to the VP of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:02 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Or .. sometimes the licensing and attribution information isnt correct In the common case, Media Viewer provides more prominent and appropriate attribution and license information than the File: page. The author

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Deprecating print-on-demand functionality

2014-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote: so the Book Creator will still be active, maybe under another name, maybe with another engine, but still active? Same name and functionality, just the Order a printed book feature will disappear. Erik -- Erik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:21 AM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_presidential_election,_2014 http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Indonesian_presidential_election,_2014 The photo of Prabowo in MV has a caption of 'Prabowo wapres' This happens to

[Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: It's interesting to read that claim in the content of my aversion to the unexpected removal of the very useful 'nearby' feature from the Android app [1]. (...) [1] Promoted by the WMF at the time of its launch:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-10 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Pierre-Selim pierre-se...@huard.info wrote: For exemple on french wikipedia we used to have a direct link to Wikimedia Commons (we technically removed the description page proxy), now we have totally lost this feature. Actually, Media Viewer consistently

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-10 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Will WMF deactivate MediaViewer on English Wikipedia No. Detailed explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Media_Viewer/June_2014_RfCdiff=616407785oldid=616294249 Erik -- Erik Möller VP of

[Wikimedia-l] Deprecating print-on-demand functionality

2014-07-10 Thread Erik Moeller
Since 2008, we've offered a small feature to download printed books from Wikipedia article. This is done in partnership with a company called PediaPress. They've sold about 15K books over that time period, not enough to break even, and the support/maintenance burden for the service is no longer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-10 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:25 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Erik, can you please explain what emergency necessitated immediate (and likely unprecedented) action here? Please see Fabrice Florin's explanation, as linked in my original response:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-10 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Many new features (e.g., the improved search backend) are deployed fairly regularly without fanfare or objection. Indeed, change-aversion tends to correlate pretty strongly with impact on existing workflows [1] and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

2014-07-03 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: I am worried by how short-term the current plans/goals are, though. I know that a lot of work that the engineering department does, particularly with regards software, which can only be planned on a quarterly basis to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-28 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: So what is your proposal for how to effectively curate the firehose of good and bad content that is uploaded to Commons day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute? Hi Pete, I would generally advocate for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-26 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is the behavior of a certain core set of Commons admins; time and time and time again we have it reported here, we see it on Commons. While not lawyers, they attempt to be extraordinarily demanding when it comes to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

2014-06-26 Thread Erik Moeller
As an update on the goals process for WMF engineering, we've begun fleshing out out the top priorities for the first quarter. Going forward, we'll aim to call out the top priorities for each quarter as we approach it, to create more shared visibility into the most urgent and high-impact projects

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