Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, "your time and effort" is for those other people to waste. It is for them to decide what value they derive from spending it in this way. "our donations", donations is what donors offer. Once they have donated, it becomes the money of the Wikimedia Foundation. It is not our donations, it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Jennifer, So you did not say it because you did not do the researce but when a minority of our community does not identify themselves as "Wikipedians" it does not matter. Sorry, but that is EXACTLY what I said. What you indicate is that a minority may be ignored. Why else do "the research" but to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, So it is ok to deny the minority that insists they are not? Thanks, GerardM On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 08:32, Jennifer Pryor-Summers < jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > You can't be a member of "The Wikipedia Movement". > > > > > I suggest that this claimed impossibility

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Fine. Obviously we disagree on what we read in the same text. Now what would be the "correct way" to address a perceived sense of superiority ? Thanks, GerardM On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 11:24, Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 10:14, Gerard Meijssen >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you for your sense of superiority.. the views on this list are "easy to have"and "not the big, difficult questions". These are some big difficult questions I can come up with: - how will we deal with the existing bias that is Anglo-American.. - how will we deal with the existing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yes there is a noticeable difference. Costs for changing websites, stationary and the like are not budgeted for. Given that budgets do not account for such nonsense it is not an "easy" test. It is also not a test because when the test proves negative you double the cost. Thanks, GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When I worked on Ottoman history in Wikidata (I will get back to it again) Catalan was one of the best resources. Thank you :) If you want me to I can share my work/your work on your wikipedia. Thanks, GerardM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM#Ottoman_Turkey On Sat, 13 Apr 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
to get it of the ground. What it does take is the realisation that Wikimedia is NOT Wikipedia. This is necessary for this experiment to start.. Thanks, GerardM On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 17:56, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Sat., Apr. 13, 2019, 2:27 a.m. Gerard Meijssen, < > ger

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you for your well argued point of view. I followed the statistics as provided by Erik Zachte for a long time and the trend was slowly but surely where based on the statistics of Wikipedia alone English Wikipedia traffic moved slowly but surely from over fifty to under fifty percent.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Wikipedia is indeed clearly the core global brand. The notion that Wikidata will "never match Wikipedia whatever its future success" is a sad argument. Use some hindsight and compare Wikipedia and its impact with Wikidata at the same age, do the same for Commons. It is also a useless argument

[Wikimedia-l] The Wikimedia search engine, a thought experiment

2019-04-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Our projects, our organisation is fractured. In the perception of many we are Wikipedia but in actuality there is no Wikipedia, there are over 180 Wikipedias. There are projects other than Wikipedia but for all kinds of reasons they are not known, as a brand they have little recognition. At

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
entifying ourselves > > with Wikipedia could create real life problems to affiliates. Let's think > > on making our product better, because is not a brand problem, is an > > obsolescence problem what we have. > > > > > > From: Wikime

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
a brand problem, is an > obsolescence problem what we have. > > ____ > > From: Wikimedia-l on behalf > of Gerard Meijssen > > Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 12:36 PM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 20

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The problem is that Wikipedia has an article bound interest. Our aim is to share in the sum of all knowledge and it is about subjects. In addition to this the approach and `the lessons learned` in effect are used as a template on how `other` Wikipedias are to function. This bias hinder, even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

2019-03-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
as Wikidata does not > reference sources directly as does Wikipedia. > > JPS > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:46 AM Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > The biggest benefit of Wikidata is that it knows about more subject

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

2019-03-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
20, 2019, 08:52 Ziko van Dijk > > > > Hello Ariel Glenn, > > > Thanks for the notification, very interesting. Well, we all know that > > > making a lot of edits on Wikidata is "easier" or happens quicker than > on > > > Wikipedia, for various

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

2019-03-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, So in stead of calling us all Wikipedia, let us be known as Wikidata... HU Thanks, GerardM On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 07:48, Ariel Glenn WMF wrote: > Wikidata surpassed the English language Wikipedia in the number of > revisions in the database, about 45 minutes ago today.I was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
what people were looking for and not finding. > > > > Dan > > > > On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 at 23:12, Leila Zia wrote: > > > > > Hi Gerard, > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 2:26 PM Gerard Meijssen > > > wrote: > > > > but rea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
knowledge and not on what only one Wikipedia has to offer. Thanks, GerardM [1] https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2019/03/sharing-in-sum-of-all-knowledge-from.html On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 00:12, Leila Zia wrote: > Hi Gerard, > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 2:26 PM Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The point is EXACTLY that this list will be different per language. What there is, what is needed differs as a consequence. What specific Wikipedias covers is as different. There are multiple objectives to be gained: - as we gain more articles, we will gain a bigger presence for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
tion of topics should not be driven by reader > > interests as much as by editor interests. Our purpose is not to practice > > our writing skills for our own benefit. > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:58 PM Vi to wrote: > > > > > The idea of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
almost everything is there including pokemon, soccer and ice hockey... Thanks, GerardM On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 at 23:58, Vi to wrote: > The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares  > > Vito > > Il giorno dom 10 mar 2019 alle ore 22:26 Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but really why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people are actually looking for and do not find.. Why can we not promote what proves to be of interest [1] ? Thanks, GerardM [1]

[Wikimedia-l] The case for the Wikimedia Foundation as an ORCID member organisation

2019-02-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Earlier I posted the following text on my blogpost and as it concerns the Wikimedia Foundation and how it deals with its research, it is very much a subject that needs discussion for instance on this list. Thanks, GerardM The Wikimedia Foundation is a research organisation. No two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am troubled with the ease doubt is raised about people contributing to this mailing list/ our community/ our projects. This is a mailing list that has the option of moderation. That is already in itself a sure way of driving people away. However, it is not the same as going whole hog and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, May I remind you again that at the time the Vrije Universiteit was testing in a grid how the performance of a MediaWiki based on peer to peer technology would cope.. The guy who ran the computing department is known for MINIX.. it was his development. Why not run p2p and the central server

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2019-01-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I spend some time formulating my thoughts on the subject. Arguably I am not a Wikipedian but apart from the necessary changes we must go through, I see a great future for our work. What I have to say is on my blog [1]. The most important change is that we need to become less US-American to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-12-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
e true is A. But, according > to honourable and widely recognized expert Y [source Y] A it is not true, > but the true is B." > > I don't believe in any kind of automated method of measuring NPOV. NPOV is > very complex issue needed human judgment. You can't avoid it. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Contents of annual reports from Wikimedia affiliate organizations

2018-11-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Wonderful that you want to burden people with new standards. I have had dealings with funding of the WMF. I delivered on time and for what I delivered to work, the WMF had to do its stuff on time. They did not, my project petered out and THEN they required me to jump through hoops

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
udgment is applies. IMO > this process works very well. The other depends on opinion, votes, > supported by whatever facts or authority or bluster (my specialty) > advocates bring to bear. That process, though adequate, is not as > satisfactory. > > Gerard Meijssen has suggested a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We have a database with all the citations of all Wikipedias. That database is integrated in wikidata as we speak. What we should do is eat our own medicine and compare sources on the same subject when the subject is controversial. Our overriding policy is for Wikipedia to have a neutral point

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 11 November 2018)

2018-11-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Wikipedia being Wikipedia, we aim to bring information in a NPOV way. Particularly when it is about conflicts, it is hard to provide exactly that. The victory of one party is the defeat of another. The battlefronts of France and Belgium were only one part of the great war. The Ottoman Empire

Re: [Wikimedia-l] convert from BitCoin to FoldingCoin and other proofs of useful work

2018-11-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Bitcoin and its ilk rely on an overabundance of energy. In this day and age the speculation of these "currencies" is irresponsible. The best attack on this pyramide game is to stay away from it. Thanks, GerardM On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 10:38, Robert Rohde wrote: > > What is a 51% attack?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1718 Fundraising Report now published

2018-09-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Is there a map of the world with the spending of the WMF per continent? Thanks, GerardM On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 00:16, Thea Skaff wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am writing to share with you our fundraising report for fiscal year 2018 >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, How about Portuguese from Africa? Thanks, GerardM On 27 July 2018 at 16:41, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > Hello Jane, > > Yes, maybe I have been lucky for having to deal with a Wikipedia that, > despite having its fair share of problems, actually has not that kind of > strife. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

2018-07-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
o the third level administrative divisions. For example, the two > > sources present in > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzi_District > > > > are available for every district (though I so far only added about half > of > > them to the English Wikipedia artic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "State of Wikimedia Research" presentation at Wikimania 2018

2018-07-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you Pine, you had me interested and I watched the presentation. I even blogged about it. Benjamin mentioned some numbers and sadly at this time Wikidata cannot corroborate what he had to say. Doing that is a challenge but hey, it is our own dogfood. Thanks, GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have. I have heard a very senior person in the WMF state that English is the only relevant language.. PS We did not agree on that one .. Thanks, GerardM On 27 July 2018 at 13:35, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > Hello Jane, > > > > ​ > I think that we are in fact split down the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

2018-07-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I do blog and tweet using #AfricaGap.. At this time I am adding countries and their "administrative and territorial entities" in Wikidata. In many a Wikipedia, they want to have "human settlements" linked to the lowest level and these to every time a higher level. What I do is add more and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, An other problem with participation by proxy is that you are likely to strengthen current bias. Wikimania 2018 has come and gone and we want more and better information about subjects like Africa, There are many approaches possible. Crucial is what it is we are to achieve. * Do we want a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees appointments and officer positions 2018

2018-07-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have started to collect some information.. PS Tanya Welcome !! Thanks, GerardM https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q55655418 On 19 July 2018 at 17:33, Christophe Henner wrote: > And because I can't step down properly, a part of the email was missing, > here is the complete

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Curating YOUR Wikipedia

2018-07-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
a decent English > working proficiency, in my experience. Did you scroll the history of the > pages here and there, found the most common usernames dedicated to their > creation and maintennace, and left the a message in their user talks? > that's what I am trying to understand. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Curating YOUR Wikipedia

2018-07-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
sources. > Insome fields, such as taxonomy, there is some confusion and asymmetric > organization of the content and will never be solved easily. But in the > other areas they probably will. > Alex > > > > > > > Il Domenica 15 Luglio 2018 22:37, Gerard Meijssen <

[Wikimedia-l] Curating YOUR Wikipedia

2018-07-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Wikidata is a reflection of all the Wikimedia projects, particularly the Wikipedias. Both Wikidata and Wikipedia are secondary sources and when two Wikipedias have opposing information on singular information, it is a cop out to state both "opinions" on Wikidata and leave it at that. Given

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On traceability and reliability of data we publish [was Re: [Wikidata] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata]

2018-07-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This same mail was send at the same time to the Wikidata mailing list.. The answer there is argued in a different way with an utterly different outcome.. This is an example of forum shopping and the result is that there is no single outcome, it is great example why forum shopping does not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-07-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hell NO! We are not neutral and it will be a particular sad situation when we forget what we are there for, what our objectives are only to "avoid compromising the appearance of the projects and the movement as neutral providers of information; to avoid bad publicity; to avoid antagonizing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Are you seriously asking what African, Indian or Chinese Wikipedian ... does not want Americans or British to have what they do not have either? What makes them so special that they deserve this! English Wikipedia is only 50% of our traffic. The attention it is given is excessive. Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Volunteering and Appreciation (was: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF)

2018-06-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
se for everyone that wants a > change too. > > Regards, > Micru > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:14 AM Gerard Meijssen > > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > One reason why you do not get much traction is because many people, > myself > > included, found that there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ?מה עושה אותך מאושר השבוע / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 10 June 2018)

2018-06-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am happy because someone asked me if it was an idea to have a list of African women performers and base it on [1], we did a similar thing for 100 women BBC [2]. I love the idea :) Thanks, GerardM [1] https://100women.okayafrica.com [2]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Volunteering and Appreciation (was: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF)

2018-06-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One reason why you do not get much traction is because many people, myself included, found that there is little purpose in spending time on Meta. It is time spend in a frustrating way and it hardly ever results in the kind of results you hope for. The time necessary to keep up with what is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Just a question. When you pay volunteers, where does it stop? Is it only for admins and if so why and, is it only for English Wikipedia and if so why? Thanks, GerardM On 28 May 2018 at 15:48, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > Gnangarra, you have been showing a lot of generosity towards

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You compare two things that are not related and where there is a conflict of interest. As it is, we are severely lacking in information in many of our Wikipedias. Given that not even percent of the humans in Wikidata is from Africa, the #AfricaGap is bigger than the #GenderGap (no percent vs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ⠠⠺⠓⠁⠞⠄⠎ ⠍⠁⠅⠊⠝⠛ ⠽⠕⠥ ⠓⠁⠏⠏⠽ ⠞⠓⠊⠎ ⠺⠑⠑⠅⠦ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 20 May 2018)

2018-05-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I learned that Asaf was at the Nigerian Senate ... A present from me for the Nigerian people; Nigerian politicians but in Yoruba :) Quite impressive actually what they already have (compared with English).. Thanks, GerardM https://yo.wikipedia.org/wiki/On%C3%AD%E1%B9%A3e:GerardM On 20

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-05-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
yone use DBPedia > and have to agree to share alike, when they can get similar data from > Wikidata which promises them it's CC-0? > > On Wed, 16 May 2018 at 21:43 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Thank you for the overly broad misr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-05-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you for the overly broad misrepresentation. As always, copyright is predatory. As we can prove that copyright is the enemy of science and knowledge we should not be upset that *copyright *is abused we should welcome it as it proves the point. Also when we use texts from everywhere and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, "The summary of the canon of knowledge".. Wow.. I just tweeted that thanks to the German Wikipedia we know about 20% more members of Parliament from Chad. Now we know about 12. My #AfricaGap project will follow developments around African national politicians. We suck when Africa is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apa yang membuat anda gembira minggu ini? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 6 May 2018)

2018-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am adding a page with national politicians from Africa.. When people add any of them, add their nationality or their terms, it will update in a Listeria page. Currently there are some twenty countries I follow. The good news: an interest from people from Nigeria :) Thanks, GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Τι σας κάνει ευτυχισμένη αυτήν την εβδομάδα? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 22 April 2018)

2018-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Regularly there are awards conferred by stellar organisations like Amnesty International or Creative Commons. In the last week I was able to add their 2018 winners.. The good news is that increasingly the awards are complete except for the latest. My hope / expectation for the future is that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The notion that unsourced articles need to be eradicated is fundamentally so wrong. The notion should be; we are going to source the unsourced articles and ensure that we provide the best information possible. Hostility only ensures that the point of view of the person who is hostile will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Maybe you know, but Katherine Mayer gave a talk at the CC conference The subject was big companies using our content (it is not just writing) and making a profit giving nothing / not much in return. The issue she raised is that it may interfere with our collaboration model. People will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikimedia Foundation's FY18-19 Annual Plan is on Meta-wiki

2018-04-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yes, MediaWiki is used for 290+ languages but that does not imply that it is developed with these other languages in mind. The project descriptions are firmly with the best known (ie English) implementation in mind and it is the use and the users of the most used English implementation that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikimedia Foundation's FY18-19 Annual Plan is on Meta-wiki

2018-03-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is much in the 2018/19 plan that I like. What I like is that it aims to align all Wikimedia efforts into one coherent plan. There are a few things where a different approach can be considered. Michael Peel made a good suggestion and complementary to this I would increase the fund

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yes, there are many rules. Yes, they have arisen because of the need felt by some. It is totally obvious that these rules are created with the "best intentions". Given the state of play these rules are not analysed for their effect particularly not for their side effects. The rules and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] #WeMissTurkey social media campaign

2018-03-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One proposal is that we add data and text about Turkey and its Ottoman Empire past. There is much information that is missing or needs expansion, at that a hat tip to the Catalan Wikipedia.. They are really good in what they report. I will add data information in Wikidata. In the past I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The Cebuano Wikipedia articles were created based on information available in databases. So creating static articles is a known quantity. In Reasonator there is functionality that creates text for humans. This has been available for years as well and when data changes, the text changes.

[Wikimedia-l] Who if not Wikipedia

2018-03-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is a lot of data available to us that is not presented as information in any and all languages. Our mission is one where we share in the sum of all knowledge. There is however a big difference between knowledge and information. We do not provide knowledge, we provide information. When

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have been involved in a translation project with professional translators translating featured articles of the English Wikipedia. The choice for featured articles was done because we expected that the content would not be in dispute. We found different. Several of the translated articles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategy Report Released: Wikimedia 2030: Wikimedia’s role in shaping the future of the information commons

2018-02-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Nina Simon wrote a blog post [1] that I think has a lot of merit for what we could do to gain relevance. Nina is big in the GLAM world and the museum she works for has an approach that will have a big effect when we consider it carefully and implement it in the best way we can. Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 4 February 2018)

2018-02-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Carla Hayden received an award [1] and as I do so often I added it to Wikidata. I could not find info on the award and was only able to add two award winners. A friend found more information and added several more winners. It is an award relating to libraries and librarians, I am confident

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New language code for Western Armenian language

2018-02-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If anything it is proof that a quality standard allows for change. In Michael Everson, a member of the standards world, we have someone who was asked to become a member of the Wikimedia language committee. Over the years he has provided us with several important services. This is only one.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Publicpolicy] Update on FISA 702 reauthorization

2018-01-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, First, what the Foundation does is not in order to protect itself but to protect its readers, its authors. Second, when you consider security theatre, consider the other countries and then consider the countries where security has a better chance than the USA. Be advised that in many, most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The 2016-2017 Wikimedia Foundation Annual Report

2018-01-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As a document targeting donors it is effective. For me, it is indeed an accomplished selly thingie that does not connect. It is all Wikipedia and Wikipedia is not that shiny. It is a community where infighting is common, where external knowledge and tools are seen as problematic because they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

2017-12-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I would not call it research. You have an opinion and you are dead set on hearing yourself talk, making your current opinion prevail. Fine. You start from assumptions that are not proven.. "this is a wonderful community" there are plenty of arguments possible why there is a dictatorship of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

2017-11-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
pedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero > [3] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero > > -- > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mz7 > > > On Nov 24, 2017, at 5:06 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legal status of Wikimeida lists [Was: Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR]

2017-11-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You deny the existence of copyright.. It being public does not mean that it is fair game for any and all purposes. Thanks, GerardM On 24 November 2017 at 14:39, Vi to wrote: > Archives are public, so, IMHO, the list is. > > Vito > > 2017-11-24 11:11 GMT+01:00

[Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

2017-11-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, With the demise of net neutrality in the USA, have their been consideration for the impact it may have for the services provided by the Wikimedia Foundation? We are reliant on servers in the USA, as the quality of the service in the USA is no longer a given, what are the risks? Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

2017-11-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Huh? Thanks, GerardM Op wo 15 nov. 2017 om 14:24 schreef Milos Rancic > On the other hand, I would like see WMF starts fixing harm done by its > cultural neocolonial actions in Brazil and India. > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Asaf Bartov >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

2017-10-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You get it backwards; Yaroslav indicates that he EXPECTS not to be heard. It does not follow that what people say will not be noticed and it does not follow that they may not be involved in the process of realising the strategy. The option to be heard has nothing to do with the position on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

2017-10-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
, doing so in a manageable way > with the available resources is the only prudent way forward > > > > On 25 October 2017 at 19:19, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > When you do research, you know that there is a deminishing return

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

2017-10-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you do research, you know that there is a deminishing return on adding more people that are asked the same question. It may seem to be empowering but realistically the initial group comes up with the answers you are seeking. So what do you think all these others have to add to what a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you read the article you link to, it is explicitly about destubification and not about new stubs. Given this intend, I do not see it as a problem. Actually I do not mind more women entries in Wikidata.. But hey, that is my thing :_ Thanks, GerardM On 15 October 2017 at 16:02,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For me this initiative raises more questions then it answers. As I understand it, it is a change in vocabulary and it defines when a Wikipedia community is big enough to get "official" attention. My problem is that it is very much standalone; it does not connect with other practices. It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research Showcase Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC

2017-09-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
onomics > articles, he is free to do so. I don’t think this has anything to do with > data uploads. If it does, perhaps you could enlighten me. > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Beh

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
red in the framework of a database and > its use, a more "functional" than "philosophical" perspective. > > P.S. Not sure I have understood the blue and red link request, in some > minor wiki red link can be linked to wikidata, but why the blue one? > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
pedia at the discretion of users of that specific > Wikipedia, like images from Commons. > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2017 10:14 AM &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research Showcase Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC

2017-09-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is a responsibility by the people doing massive uploads of data that is full of everything under the sun. Given the scale of these imports "so fix it" is not appropriate. Thanks, GerardM On 19 September 2017 at 07:14, Peter Southwood wrote: > So

[Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is a lot to do about the current absence of a BLP policy at Wikidata. Many people, particularly those involved in Wikipedia, insist on one and a policy that is a mirror image of their policy. I am opposed to such an approach because it will be detrimental to the best practices in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, With all due respect. These templates are probably English Wikipedia only. Consequently they are not available on a Wikimedia level. Thanks, GerardM On 29 August 2017 at 13:39, Richard Farmbrough wrote: > We have a number of source specific templates, such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
occasionally, I think he is a fine > example of someone who may not always echo the mainstream opinion, but I > have never doubted his good faith intentions to improve the Wikimedia > projects. > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimed

[Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I was invited to positively give my opinion about the Wikimedia mailinglist and its use by one of the list managers. So the first thing to consider is what is the list for. This is largely a given because of its name; it is to discuss things that are primarily concerned with "Wikimedia" both

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You indicate that you aim to reduce the volume. I think the number of posts is at a record low. The notion that the number of edits per person must be brought down is not a reflection of the number of posts made to this list. When you disagree on this, show some statistics. When you put

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on public domain works

2017-08-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This exchange of views is limited to the views being in a narrow way connected to what is originally posted. When a diametrically opposed view is expressed it is easily confused with subject high jacking. Arguably this thread has gone of the rails already and in direct reply no to your point,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-07-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have said before that we spend our money not equally over our audience. Less than 50 % of our traffic is English Wikipedia and less than 40% of the world population speak English well enough. Consequently we spend too much on English. It is stupid to suggest that we should defund our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-07-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, With all due respect, when that is the reason to put yourself forward, given that it is possible to provide a negative assessment in the past. You will have mine. The board and its responsibility is not that narrow. Arguably we do not spend enough, we could achieve more. Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 25 June 2017)

2017-07-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
wrote: > If it is from UNESCO does that mean it is under a Wikimedia compatible > license? One could put it on Wikisource :-) > > James > > On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > I found a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 25 June 2017)

2017-07-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I found a complete history of Africa that is available in PDF format from UNESCO.. It is in eight parts and I am happy that it exists.. I added the data in Wikidata but this is the link for the English version.. There are versions in other languages as well :) Thanks, GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-06-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
1:57, Anna Stillwell <astillw...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Gerard, > > In line. > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > I have some notions about language and if anything there are so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-06-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
entional in the design. > > I've responded here to let you know that you are not alone. Your peers have > voiced these issues and they are heavily influencing the discussion and > everyone is listening. > > Warmly, > /a > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Gerard Meijsse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-06-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
for a strategy > process. English language communities are also our most diverse projects > > On 25 June 2017 at 18:03, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Now that we apparently all agree that this is a diversity issue. An issue > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-06-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
be a reason not to do them. It is also true that > large > > majority of research on Wikipedia/Wikimedia is about the en-Wikipedia. If > > WMF could do something to promote research looking beyond it would be > > great. > > > > -Teemu > > > > > Gerard

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