Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

On 15 May 2013 07:45, Michael Snow wrote: > That last bit is critical; people have repeatedly suggested a certain > mistrust underlies the repeated flareups. Well, the reason that mistrust has > grown so much is because we are often impatient, and take shortcuts in order > to "get things done" (o

[Wikimedia-l] Patience

I originally wrote this message last year on a nonpublic list. It seemed to be well received, and some people asked me to share it publicly, but I didn't get around to it then. I think this would be a good time to share it here now. It is not specifically directed at recent issues here, but I t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 108 Wikipedias had their logo updated

Awesome work, all! Note that I *strongly* encourage any logos not already available as SVG to update to an SVG version. Not only are SVGs generally more flexible and reusable because they can be scaled up, it'll also make it a *lot* easier to add a high-resolution version of your logo for visitors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 108 Wikipedias had their logo updated

This is wonderful. Many thanks to all the volunteers involved! A. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > As you may remember, in 2010 the Wikipedia puzzle logo was updated: < > https://commons.wikimedia.**org/wiki/Wikipedia/2.0

[Wikimedia-l] 108 Wikipedias had their logo updated

As you may remember, in 2010 the Wikipedia puzzle logo was updated: The localisation and update of logos has always been a volunteer-driven effort, organised mostly by Casey at the time. Building on his work,[1] in the last 6 months over 100 Wik

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania, or other events done by a third party?

Hello everyone, Wikimedia Hungary has recieved an interesting "sales pitch" today if we can call a two liner that. One of the largest Hungarian travelling agency's department (or subsidiary?) for conference tourism have expressed interest in organizing a Wikimania in Budapest, Hungary in 2015 in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

On 14 May 2013 21:13, Bence Damokos wrote: ... > to be effective in the meeting. In the long run, if the WMF doesn't amend > its travel practices one can always join any of the WMF volunteer or staff > communities that result in occasional travel as a perk and more often as a > cost of doing their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

I think the point got lost that this is the budget (i.e. the maximum allotted), not the actual spending plan. It's highly probable that the actual costs will be something other than the maximum allowed amount. Perhaps we should restrain our outrage until then. Meanwhile, let's start another thread

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

Hi all, Thank you all for your kind suggestions on specific hotels. I would just like to reiterate what might have been lost under the pile of talk page messages, is that 1) technically, the WMF still has to approve the overall budget request that this meeting forms a part of, and while I don't e

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

On 14 May 2013 20:53, Tonmoy Khan wrote: > WMF). Here, the choice of hotel really seems expensive. Though I didn't > have any prior idea about hotel rent in Hong Kong, I searched on google for > some good quality hotels in Tsim Sha Tsui area and found that there are > many 4 star hotels (also hig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

Hi, I think the question here should be more general, not for the particular case of AffCom only. We should really give a serious thought on whether such big expenditures are really worth the money or not. And it should encompass all the parties to the movement (volunteers, chapter members, WMF). H

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board candidates page: please set as a subject of translation

Thanks Thehelpfulone and Benjamin, for your quick support! --Takashi On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Benjamin Chen wrote: > Hi guys, > > Before I saw the reply, I went ahead and tagged the page for translation, > including Francis's statement. > I have learnt and realised that it wasn't the be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effectiveness of meetings (Was: Affcom ...)

I have sat through so many meetings that wasted time in various degrees that I thought of a football referee system where people could hold us yellow or red cards if they thought the meeting should be 'warned' or 'sent off'. More than two cards and the meeting gets abandoned or sorts itself out. O

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board candidates page: please set as a subject of translation

Deryck Chan, 14/05/2013 19:10: Hello. Meta now supports automatic conversion between different regional variants of standard Chinese. Can someone disable translation to zh-hans, zh-hant, zh-hk, and zh-tw? Otherwise we'll end up with 4 redundant translations. That's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effectiveness of meetings (Was: Affcom ...)

Le 14/05/2013 13:39, Lodewijk a écrit : (...) Based on these desired outcomes, you can estimate up front if the meeting is likely to be 'worth it'. If not, you can reduce the costs, increase the outcomes (different setup) or cancel all together. 2013/5/14 Lodewijk The second relevant questio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board candidates page: please set as a subject of translation

Hello. Meta now supports automatic conversion between different regional variants of standard Chinese. Can someone disable translation to zh-hans, zh-hant, zh-hk, and zh-tw? Otherwise we'll end up with 4 redundant translations. On 14 May 2013 17:38, Benjamin Chen wrote: > Hi guys, > > Before I s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board candidates page: please set as a subject of translation

Hi guys, Before I saw the reply, I went ahead and tagged the page for translation, including Francis's statement. I have learnt and realised that it wasn't the best idea to translate that part just yet. Thanks Thehelpfulone, I've reverted that section. Sorry. The other parts of the two new sta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board candidates page: please set as a subject of translation

Hi Takashi, Thanks for the reminder. I saw that Francis had his statement trimmed by Philippe in his capacity as a Board Election Committee member because it was over the character limit so decided not to mark it for translation until he had the opportunity to rewrite it, so as to not waste the va

[Wikimedia-l] Board candidates page: please set as a subject of translation

Hi all, Could anybody (maybe admin on meta) set recent changes of the board candidates page as a subject to translation, so that we can translate candidacies of Francis and Jeromy-Yu with the translation tool? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/Board_elections/2013/Cand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

Bence, I appreciate AffCom work, and everyone of the the committee volunteers that doing a great job. But I really don't like the excuse of sticking to WMF's policy. Without having to start discussing the WMF's policy, I think AffCom should be mature enough to adopt a similar policy behavior as th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effectiveness of meetings (Was: Affcom ...)

Theoratically every penny spent should be measured wheter it was spent well, or was wasted, including salaries. Ideally you could find out all the direct and indirect investment in a given program. Since the latter is extremely hard (or impossible) to measure, it is always an estimated extra cost.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effectiveness of meetings (Was: Affcom ...)

I totally understand (or rather, I think I do). However, just like with any project, also such calculations would be subject to cost/benefit ratios. What information do you expect to win, and how much overhead does it create? It sounds great to be able to put a number on things, but up to a certain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effectiveness of meetings (Was: Affcom ...)

I see a few misunderstanding here: I do not wish to compare them to each other, but to the previous one(s). At least I hope this is what I've written because this is what I was ment. So compare GLAM 2013 to GLAM 2012, and GLAM 2011, ..., compare Brussels meetup with previous similar thematic meetup

[Wikimedia-l] Effectiveness of meetings (Was: Affcom ...)

I think this is very true, and we could perhaps improve our procedures and documentation in many ways. However, I do think it is important to realize that you're comparing apples with oranges here. The meeting in Brussels for example was on the topic of influencing legislative processes - a topic b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

40k for a single meetup can be justified if the results worth that much money. (I've already argued about this regarding Milan chapters meetup btw). Providing a "more than basic" travel and accomodation can be a way of appreciation as well for their work, what they do as volunteers, that should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues (David Cuenca)

Hello, Thanks to Geoff for looking into this. I several times requested input for this kind of problems, but I thought that the WMF policy made it outside of the Legal department's area of work. I am very glad that it is not the case now and that the Legal department takes this issue into account.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

On 14 May 2013 08:45, Lodewijk wrote: > 2013/5/14 Lodewijk ... >> Personally, I feel that WMF Committee (and board) members should not be >> treated to a lower standard than staff members, simply because they are not >> being paid for their work. But maybe I'm the only one in thát opinion >> thou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

2013/5/14 Lodewijk > I don't think it is trivial either, and having a discussion is fine. > However, the bigger discussion is perhaps more relevant - because AffCom is > simply following WMF policy here, which is in place for many employees, > board members (and others? not sure). > > So I think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

I don't think it is trivial either, and having a discussion is fine. However, the bigger discussion is perhaps more relevant - because AffCom is simply following WMF policy here, which is in place for many employees, board members (and others? not sure). So I think there are two relevant discussio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

On 14 May 2013 08:12, Andrea Zanni wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:30 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality > I don't really think this is a triviality. I really do think it's an absolutely perfect example of what Parkinson was talking ab

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:30 AM, David Gerard wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality I don't really think this is a triviality. Cents and single dollars of chapters are weighted and analyzed, FDC and GACs nitpicks and their goal is to assure that donor moneys is