Jasper, if you can't write an email or pick up the phone asking for a
hardware quote without supporting the status quo of the Foundation
datacenter being a monument to the poster boy of corporate tax abuses,
Microsoft OEM bundling abuses, and NSA collaboration, I really can't
help you.
If you're i
Putting aside the 'tax' aspect, whether or not there is a backdoor in the
shipped product is not the point of the article you linked to James.
NSA is intercepting hardware deliveries and adding backdoors while it is
enroute from supplier to customer. Buying new equipment gives NSA a new
opportunit
SSL makes it more difficult; some private wikis are already restricted to
SSL. We also have to consider that irc.wikimedia.org has a recent changes
feed.
At minimum, the transit links should be encrypted if feasible. A good
reason not to encrypt is that it's extra performance overhead.
On Sun, D
We know NSA wants Wikipedia data, as Wikipedia is listed in one of the
NSA slides:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KS8-001.jpg
That slide is about HTTP, and the tech staff are moving the
user/reader base to HTTPS.
As we learn more about the NSA programs, we need to consider vectors
other
"How does that tie us to x86?"
We don't use Xen, nor is that guaranteed to give us acceptable performance.
"closer to $70"
Please justify that claim (that would be the cost of the CPU or hard disk
alone). You haven't even given us a compelling reason to spend any money at
all on this.
On Sun,
>... Wikimedia Labs uses x86 hardware virtualization (just one example)
How does that tie us to x86?
http://www.eweek.com/servers/arm-server-chips-get-xen-virtualization-support/
>... a conservative $200/server estimate
I have been recommending hardware which costs closer to $70 per
"server" dep
"It's not like we have anything special (or x86-specific, Jasper!)
other than very high bandwidth."
Wikimedia Labs uses x86 hardware virtualization (just one example). We
already have transit linkages that include fiber, and new fiber is far from
cheap.
You persist in ignoring the costs of buying
> Maximum 100 Mbps ethernet connection
We should be using fiber, which also costs less power and is orders of
magnitude faster.
If the words "enterprise-class" actually mean something more than
"much larger markup than purchasing components" then go with something
like http://www.marvell.com/
On Dec 29, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> Leslie Carr wrote:
>> At that point we'll probably need to redesign those boards
>> which are incapable of doing these things, so we'll need a team of
>> hardware engineers, plus a deal with a manufacturing plant.
>
> Google and Facebook are
On 30/12/13 14:55, James Salsman wrote:
> If you don't like Cubietrucks, then how about RADXA? At least with
> http://dl.radxa.com/rock/docs/hw/RADXA_ROCK_schematic_20130903.pdf
> you know exactly what you're getting and it doesn't cost a huge power
> bill.
Maximum 100 Mbps ethernet connection. A
"but the fact is it
doesn't cost more money to switch to ARM, and you jettison a bunch of
legacy x86 crap that nobody uses but take millions of transistors
which need to be powered."
ARM is not compatible with a lot of our software, and besides if we really
wanted power efficiency we could instead
*"And as much as I personally appreciate Wikimedia staff, I am inclined*
*to agree with the sentiment that perhaps we should hire more staff until
we get some who believe that it wouldn't cost $100,000 totransition to less
expensive hardware. And maybe some people who know how to order chassis?"
When this came up last time, it turned out that there was some kind of
a deal in place, and certainly many if not most published pictures of
the Wikimedia data center feature rows of shiny Dell logos. But Dell
does support Microsoft and the NSA, obviously, and also supports some
very creative acco
The WMF's servers have nothing to do with Microsoft.
There do exist alternative processor architectures, not even just ARM
(Itanium (probably too expensive), Tilera (massively parallel)), but I
don't think migrating our software (particularly Labs'
virtualization-related software) to them is trivi
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Tinfoil hat time!
Yes, the NSA stuff is a big deal, but saying that we're paying taxes to
Microsoft and the NSA? Even if you mean taxes in a figurative sense,
someone would be getting money from the WMF to buy hardware, and if the
NSA can backdoor De
I'm sorry about your problem Klaus, however I think that you won't get
anywhere by calling people trolls.
2013/12/30 Samuel Klein
> On Dec 29, 2013 5:51 PM, "Fæ" wrote:
> >
> > On 29 Dec 2013 22:43, "Klaus Graf" wrote:
> > >
> > > I think it would be the best if _all_ URAA affected files woul
On 29/12/13 23:55, James Salsman wrote:
> Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes and start buying
> datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for
> instance?
>
> Ref.:
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-reveals-nsa-has-back-doors-for-numero
On Dec 29, 2013 5:51 PM, "Fæ" wrote:
>
> On 29 Dec 2013 22:43, "Klaus Graf" wrote:
> >
> > I think it would be the best if _all_ URAA affected files would be kept
> > until a DMCA take down notice.
>
> Your proposal would be more useful made with the Commons community
Both excellent suggestions.
On 29/12/2013 22:41, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <
emi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Naw, it's a great idea. Let's switch to building our own ARM-based
servers (by the way, which have already been a flop commercially),
using only unproven, low
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Klaus Graf wrote:
> But in the case of in the country of origin PD works which are foreign
> government works it is needed that the WMF clearly speaks out
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Use_of_Foreign_Works_Restored_under_the_URAA_on_Commons
<--- lik
On 29 Dec 2013 22:43, "Klaus Graf" wrote:
>
> Can nobody stop the URAA Copyright trolls mass deleting perfect fine files
> on Commons?
>
> I think it would be the best if _all_ URAA affected files would be kept
> until a DMCA take down notice.
Your proposal would be more useful made with the Comm
Can nobody stop the URAA Copyright trolls mass deleting perfect fine files
on Commons?
I think it would be the best if _all_ URAA affected files would be kept
until a DMCA take down notice.
But in the case of in the country of origin PD works which are foreign
government works it is needed that t
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <
emi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Naw, it's a great idea. Let's switch to building our own ARM-based
> > servers (by the way, which have already been a flop commercially),
> > using only unproven, low-volume available motherboards and hav
2013/12/29 Leslie Carr
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 5:17 AM, geni wrote:
> > On 29 December 2013 12:55, James Salsman wrote:
> >
> >> Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes
> >
> >
> > The WMF doesn't.
> >
> >
> >
> >> and start buying
> >> datacenter equipment which costs a lot les
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 4:55 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes and start buying
> datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for
> instance?
>
> Ref.:
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-reveals-nsa-has-back
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 5:17 AM, geni wrote:
> On 29 December 2013 12:55, James Salsman wrote:
>
>> Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes
>
>
> The WMF doesn't.
>
>
>
>> and start buying
>> datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for
>> instance?
>>
>>
On 29 December 2013 12:55, James Salsman wrote:
> Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes
The WMF doesn't.
> and start buying
> datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for
> instance?
>
> Ref.:
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-re
Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes and start buying
datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for
instance?
Ref.:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-reveals-nsa-has-back-doors-for-numerous-devices-a-940994.html
Best regards,
James
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Great move WMIL.
This is I think an excellent example of great chapter work.
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.12.2013 06:19, schrieb Michal Lester:
Hi,
As some of you know, images are been deleted in the past month from
WikiCommons due to a change in the ruling of the United States Supreme
Court. (The c
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