[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Philip Kopetzky
This is probably the most complete discussion on the the bug/feature that allowed the selectors to see the election result early and adjust the selection accordingly: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections#Community_election_results_leaked. .. On Tue,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Lane Chance
It would have been nice to see a list without many long term "names" who will by default be entrenched in current systems and group think. It's great that old timers, and those who have careers within the WMF or Affiliates are involved and help with reviews, but it is worth considering the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread 4nn1l2
Which bug, Philip? On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 1:58 PM Philip Kopetzky wrote: > Some people here seem to think that because the outcome had at least most > regions represented, that the process itself ensured this. This is not the > case - we only got this outcome because of a bug/feature in the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread pavan santhosh
> > we only got this outcome because of a bug/feature in the election software. Wow. I am definitely missing something. Can you please point me to a reference/resource to learn more about this? On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 3:58 PM Philip Kopetzky wrote: > Some people here seem to think that because

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Gnangarra
> > I'm curious as to what the ideal distribution of members might have been? To me I would have thought that each region picked 2 representatives giving each equality with the WMF, not that it would be equity given the difference in numbers and purpose. I accept that with more than 300

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
People with multiple expertise and background would have been the way to go, but unless we have decided for the fully appointed body (which was opposed by pretty much everybody) it is unclear how this could be realized. Best Yaroslav On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Mike Peel wrote: > Hi all, >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Mike Peel
Hi all, I'm curious as to what the ideal distribution of members might have been? NWE has 3 members, which seems like an outlier, but all the others were 1 or 2 - so which would you have picked to have 1 member rather than 2? Or should there just be more members overall (good for the global

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Gnangarra
I tend to agree that this was a failed process especially around the affiliate selections because once the selector was chosen there was no input by the affiliates as to who was chosen to represent them. I think it would have been much better for each affiliate region to have chosen their

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Some people here seem to think that because the outcome had at least most regions represented, that the process itself ensured this. This is not the case - we only got this outcome because of a bug/feature in the election software. Just in case anyone else thinks that this kind of process would be

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hi Yaroslav, Personally, I was also in favor of proactively seek and build an efficient team so that the process starts quickly. Different recommendation working groups had already discussed a lot for more than a year on how a movement charter would look like while drafting their recommendations

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Anders Wennersten
Well stated Yaroslav, and congratulation to the people elected/selected/appointed I see this election process as the best yet in the movement. I believe the election/selection/ appointed worked very well and gave a well balanced group. Looking through the stages of the Single Transferable

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Dear Bodhisattwa, this is an issue which has been raised at the strategy transition group I was part of, and also during the events following these discussions which were intended to shape the specific process to draft the Charter. Basically, the choice was between two options - either have a

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-01 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hi Samuel, On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 21:35, Samuel Klein wrote: > > I don't believe the idea is for anyone to explicitly represent their > geography, affiliations, or organizations -- rather to draft a meaningful > and empowering starting point for us all. > People develop their perspectives based

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you Kaarel, and kudos to the committee; may the work get off to a solid start. Bodhisattwa Mandal writes: > Coming from South Asia and looking at ESEAP, I am not at all excited > considering the geographical representation of the committee as per > Wikimedia regions[1], excluding WMF

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-01 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hello, Coming from South Asia and looking at ESEAP, I am not at all excited considering the geographical representation of the committee as per Wikimedia regions[1], excluding WMF appointed candidates who will represent WMF instead of the regions itself, we have - United States and Canada - 2

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-01 Thread Mardetanha
Congratulations to all elected, selected and appointed Mohsen On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 3:47 PM Kaarel Vaidla wrote: > Dear movement colleagues, > > I am happy to announce that the Movement Charter Drafting Committee > election and selection processes are complete. > >- > >1018