> >
> >
> > Peter Southwood wrote:
> > When someone is blocked for NOTHERE, it is judged
> > on what they have done, we generally
> > don’t care what they claim to have intended, as
> > there is no way to prove or disprove such
> > claims.
g the parameters of what a reasonable person would be expected to
> tolerate in a
> > global, intercultural environment.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Stella
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:14 AM
Apr 25, 2022 at 2:14 AM Peter Southwood
> peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net
> wrote:
>
> This question has been asked before, and so far no workable answer has been
> suggested.
> Cheers, Peter.
>
>
>
> From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedi
this as "so now I can't say or do this" view this as "how can this
>> guidelines help the community -- especially the minorities -- to feel
>> safe?".
>> We -- women and minorities -- need the UCoC to feel safe in the Wikimedia
>> Community. So please, let's move towa
rnographic sites.
>>>
>>> I understand that everyone wants to make the UCoC better, and have their
>>> issues regarding some of the guidelines, but please also give solutions.
>>> This is not some easy thing to do because everyone lives in different
>>>
nt of the scenario, the
>>> personalities behind it, and the context of the individuals involved in, as
>>> well as any extrapolating information, could make a call on an enforcement
>>> action.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *This is not a new way
>
> Carla
>
> El mar, 26 abr 2022 a la(s) 03:59, Peter Southwood (
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net) escribió:
>
>> When someone is blocked for NOTHERE, it is judged on *what they have
>> done*, we generally don’t care what they *claim to have intended*, as
>> ther
<
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> This question has been asked before, and so far no workable answer has
> been suggested. Cheers, Peter.
>
>
>
> *From:* H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
> *Sent:* 20 April 2022 19:44
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Next steps: Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) and
UCoC Enforcement Guidelines
Hello Everyone,
I appreciate the questions and concerns regarding intent - I’m going to
reference Jan Eissfeldt here, the Global Head of Trust and Safety, and how he
Hi Stella,
Thanks for your reply. It is much appreciated that you take the time. Now,
you point out that the UCoC is meant to establish a "minimum" set of
guidelines. "Minimum" means that anything forbidden or demanded in the UCoC
is forbidden or demanded globally, but that individual projects
H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
>> Sent: 20 April 2022 19:44
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>> Cc: H4CUSEG
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Next steps: Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) and
>> UCoC Enforcement Guidelines
>>
>> Stella,
sted. Cheers, Peter.
>
>
>
> *From:* H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
> *Sent:* 20 April 2022 19:44
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List
> *Cc:* H4CUSEG
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Next steps: Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC)
> and UCoC Enf
This question has been asked before, and so far no workable answer has been
suggested. Cheers, Peter.
From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org]
Sent: 20 April 2022 19:44
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: H4CUSEG
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Next steps: Universal Code
] Re: Next steps: Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) and
UCoC Enforcement Guidelines
Stella, how are the community members who review situations supposed to
establish the mens rea of the accused? Intent is one of the hardest things to
prove in criminal cases, and we're going to rely on volunteers
Stella, how are the community members who review situations supposed to
establish the mens rea of the accused? Intent is one of the hardest things to
prove in criminal cases, and we're going to rely on volunteers to get it right?
We should not look at intent at all, consider only the actual
Respectfully, the inclusion of the second part does not seem to make much
sense.
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 8:02 PM Stella Ng wrote:
> Hello Andreas and Todd,
>
> I am not Rosie, but I believe I can field this.
>
> First, as a reminder to all, the UCoC was created to establish a minimum
> set of
Hello Andreas and Todd,
I am not Rosie, but I believe I can field this.
First, as a reminder to all, the UCoC was created to establish a minimum
set of guidelines for expected and unacceptable behavior. However, it does
not make existing community policies irrelevant. Currently, communities in
Actually, you're technically even breaching it saying it here, since the
mailing list is "outside the Wikimedia projects".
I would agree that this needs substantial clarification, especially
regarding both spammers and already-public information.
Regards,
Todd Allen
On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at
Dear Rosie,
Could you kindly also look at and clarify the following passage in the
Universal Code of Conduct:
- *Disclosure of personal data (Doxing):* sharing other contributors'
private information, such as name, place of employment, physical or email
address without their explicit
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