It is a good idea to link the CoC itself, even if the enforcement
guidelines remain up in the air.
wiki, Sj
On Thu, Jan 5, 2023, 12:59 PM Chico Venancio
wrote:
> Nataliia,
>
> Thanks for addressing this issue, I do think your message clarified a lot
> and moves us forward with some
Thanks for pointing this out, Chico. I’ve left a comment on the ticket
there. We appreciate that folks want to move things forward. Currently,
the UCoC is indirectly linked via the link to the Terms of Use, which notifies
all users that they are agreeing to abide by Board resolutions impacting
Hi Chico,
I disagree with your conclusion. The code is conduct is in force but
there's no universal way of enforcing it. However, some communities which
had previously been plagued with bad faith actors have already used the
UCoC as a step towards introducing better governance initiatives.
Thanks, Nataliia. That seems a reasonable approach. As one of the people who
gave feedback on some areas of concern but find the document generally
acceptable, I am pleased to know that it is being improved, and used as a
working document.
Regards, Peter
From: Nataliia Tymkiv
Nataliia,
Thanks for addressing this issue, I do think your message clarified a lot
and moves us forward with some paths and goalposts.
I do take objection to this statement, however.
> First, the UCoC is being enforced now. Not only does it help guide the
Wikimedia Foundation in its current
Dear Chico, and Peter, dear all.
Speaking as the chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees, I have
a few thoughts. First, the UCoC is being enforced now. Not only does it
help guide the Wikimedia Foundation in its current actions (and has since
it was adopted by resolution [1]), but
An interesting standoff. I don’t suppose anyone has analysed the potential
losses and gains associated with each option. If that is even possible,
considering the number of unknowns. I agree that it is taking an amazingly long
time, and it is not obvious why.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Chico
The heart of the matter is why are we voting? What is the threshold that
will enact the UCoC?
> Who it would be respected by.
WMF and the board. We've had 3 and a half years of discussion on the UCoC
and a majority vote to approve enforcement guidelines, and yet no
functioning UCoC.
>As
It seems that sorting out problems that are pointed out during an approval
process is not an unreasonable thing to do, as leaving them unchanged would be
irresponsible and extremely likely to cause other problems later. Asking
whether a vote result will be respected misses the issue of who it
Hi Patrick,
Five months ago I wrote in the Movement Strategy forum:[1]
>
> Could we have clear criteria for approval of the guidelines? I find it
> pretty frustrating that a vote was taken and the majority is being ignored
> to review a few points that are not even central to the functioning of
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