[Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Erik Moeller]

Hi all,

as promised, foundation-l is now wikimedia-l. Hopefully all the list
settings should have survived without any difference whatsoever except
for the list names. Archives should exist in both places, and only at
the wikimedia-l location going forward. foundation-l delivery should
be disabled.

The wikimedia-l mailing list address is .

I'll update a few wiki pages now, and will send a separate not about
the list description to see if we can agree on some simple revisions
to clarify/broaden its scope. But that's a distinct change that would
need to achieve consensus here first.

Please update your filters and contact lists accordingly.

Thanks,
Erik
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Nathan]

Does the announce list forward correctly?

~Nathan

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Erik Moeller  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> as promised, foundation-l is now wikimedia-l. Hopefully all the list
> settings should have survived without any difference whatsoever except
> for the list names. Archives should exist in both places, and only at
> the wikimedia-l location going forward. foundation-l delivery should
> be disabled.
>
> The wikimedia-l mailing list address is .
>
> I'll update a few wiki pages now, and will send a separate not about
> the list description to see if we can agree on some simple revisions
> to clarify/broaden its scope. But that's a distinct change that would
> need to achieve consensus here first.
>
> Please update your filters and contact lists accordingly.
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Erik Moeller]

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Nathan  wrote:
> Does the announce list forward correctly?

I updated it earlier, so the reply-to should be correct.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[David Gerard]

On 9 April 2012 21:57, Nathan  wrote:

> Does the announce list forward correctly?


And should its name also be changed?


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[David Gerard]

On 9 April 2012 21:55, Erik Moeller  wrote:

> as promised, foundation-l is now wikimedia-l. Hopefully all the list


Good one!

The "from" line still calls it the "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" :-)


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Erik Moeller]

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
> The "from" line still calls it the "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" :-)

Just fixed that.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[phoebe ayers]

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
>> The "from" line still calls it the "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" :-)
>
> Just fixed that.

Excellent, thanks Erik for getting this done! This will be a positive
change, I hope (archive-breaks aside).

Though I will have to get out of the habit of calling it f-l now, I suppose...

best,
phoebe

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Thehelpfulone]

Great job on the archive surgery.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Juergen Fenn]

One more point: Your announcement has not yet appeared in the lists
archive at 
.

Thanks for changing the list's name.

Regards,
Jürgen.

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Erik Moeller]

Archives were broken for a few minutes. To avoid additional complex
surgery that would require list downtime, I'm just re-sending the
first few messages that got sent to the new list. Apologies for the
spam, this is only for posterity. ;-)

Erik

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foundation-l is now wikimedia-l
Erik Moeller 
Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Hi all,

as promised, foundation-l is now wikimedia-l. Hopefully all the list
settings should have survived without any difference whatsoever except
for the list names. Archives should exist in both places, and only at
the wikimedia-l location going forward. foundation-l delivery should
be disabled.

The wikimedia-l mailing list address is .

I'll update a few wiki pages now, and will send a separate not about
the list description to see if we can agree on some simple revisions
to clarify/broaden its scope. But that's a distinct change that would
need to achieve consensus here first.

Please update your filters and contact lists accordingly.

Thanks,

--
Nathan 
Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Does the announce list forward correctly?

~Nathan

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Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:59 PM

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Nathan  wrote:
> Does the announce list forward correctly?

I updated it earlier, so the reply-to should be correct.

--
David Gerard 
Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 


On 9 April 2012 21:57, Nathan  wrote:

> Does the announce list forward correctly?


And should its name also be changed?


- d.

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From: David Gerard 
Date: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 


On 9 April 2012 21:55, Erik Moeller  wrote:

> as promised, foundation-l is now wikimedia-l. Hopefully all the list


Good one!

The "from" line still calls it the "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" :-)

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From: Erik Moeller 
Date: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:02 PM


On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
> The "from" line still calls it the "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" :-)

Just fixed that.

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From: phoebe ayers 
Date: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:04 PM


On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
>> The "from" line still calls it the "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
>> :-)
>
> Just fixed that.

Excellent, thanks Erik for getting this done! This will be a positive
change, I hope (archive-breaks aside).

Though I will have to get out of the habit of calling it f-l now, I
suppose...

best,
phoebe

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Date: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM


Great job on the archive surgery.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Does the old adress redirect to the new one?

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Thehelpfulone]

On 9 April 2012 22:59, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:

> Does the old adress redirect to the new one?
>
> Nemo
>
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Nope, you get a bounce back.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Erik Moeller]

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:
> Does the old adress redirect to the new one?

Currently the old list email address will bounce, and the old list URL
will give you a "foundation-l does not exist" message (whereas old
archive URLs will continue working).

Daniel's looking into having the old URL redirect to the new URL
(without overriding the archives) as a higher priority.

Archives should be fully working now.

Erik

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Samuel Klein]

Nicely done.  Thanks to Erik and al.  SJ

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)  
> wrote:
>> Does the old adress redirect to the new one?
>
> Currently the old list email address will bounce, and the old list URL
> will give you a "foundation-l does not exist" message (whereas old
> archive URLs will continue working).
>
> Daniel's looking into having the old URL redirect to the new URL
> (without overriding the archives) as a higher priority.
>
> Archives should be fully working now.
>
> Erik
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Erik Moeller]

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> Currently the old list email address will bounce, and the old list URL
> will give you a "foundation-l does not exist" message (whereas old
> archive URLs will continue working).

The list URL should now redirect. [1]

Erik

[1] See 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,4583,1,files/lighttpd/50-mailman.conf

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[Wikimedia-l] Tilman Bayer has invited you to use Google Talk

[Tilman Bayer]

Tilman Bayer has invited you to sign up for Google Talk so you can talk to each 
other for free over your computers.

To sign-up, go to:
http://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=talk&sendvemail=true&skipvpage=true&reqemail=wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org&continue=http://www.google.com/talk/service/handleinvite?p%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.m8q22IzBg1MRucFWGaKIOzQ7ZHkwEGO5kVV29HfT4jkArhHDKw8Hao2BV9E2B2wt52RmeOvmd5X2LGChTipWSA.qY9pqOAk5ahlLIj1C4fHiA&followup=http://www.google.com/talk/service/HandleEmailVerified?ee%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.hXUMdgU39JfyoX053cJ9LRX6LUwOOCOXCY7aKNcYIxw.1MCCQhN6BQInekBxqGSspA%26p%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.m8q22IzBg1MRucFWGaKIOzQ7ZHkwEGO5kVV29HfT4jkArhHDKw8Hao2BV9E2B2wt52RmeOvmd5X2LGChTipWSA.qY9pqOAk5ahlLIj1C4fHiA

Google Talk is a downloadable Windows* application that offers:
- Free calls over your computer anytime, from anywhere, and for as long as you 
want
- A simple and intuitive user interface for sending instant messages or making 
calls--no clutter, pop-ups or ads
- Superior voice quality through just a microphone and computer speaker
- Fast file transfers with no restrictions on file type

After signing-up, download Google Talk and sign in with your new Google Account 
username and password.
You can then begin inviting anyone you want to talk to for free.

Google Talk works with any computer speaker and microphone, such as the ones 
built-in to many PC laptops today,
as well as with wired and wireless headsets and USB phones. Google Talk also 
works across all firewalls.

Google Talk is still in beta. Just like with Gmail, we're working hard to add 
features and make improvements,
so we might also ask for your comments and suggestions periodically. We 
appreciate your help in making it even better!

Thanks,

The Google Talk Team

To learn more about Google Talk before signing up, visit:

http://www.google.com/talk/about.html

(If clicking the URLs in this message does not work, copy and paste them into 
the address bar of your browser).

* Not a Windows user? No problem. You can also connect to the Google Talk 
service from any platform using third-party clients
(http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html).

  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] foundation-l is now wikimedia-l

[Erik Moeller]

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> The list URL should now redirect.

And, Daniel just implemented an alias as well [1], which I'm testing
by responding using the foundation-l address. (I promise this'll be
the last meta note for a while if all's working!)

Erik

[1] See 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,4586,2,files/exim/exim4.listserver_aliases.conf

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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Travel Guide

[James Heilman]

First of all yes travel content is educational. Some of the best education
I have received in fact. Travel content however is in a form distinct from
an encyclopedia and thus needs its own project.

The editors from Wikitravel already have the content in a form that can be
easily uploaded into a wiki. They plan to start their own Wiki if we are
not interested.

@Juergen Yes discussions are occurring with WikiVoyage and it is hoped that
they would be interested in joining a combined Wikimedia project as
described. There is reasons why the English community does not simply
rejoin the German community at WikiVoyage.  It is my hope that moving to
the WMF will allow the rejoining of these two communities on equal footing.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tilman Bayer has invited you to use Google Talk

[Tilman Bayer]

My sincere apologies. While of course everyone on this list is
cordially invited to chat with me at any time - also on IRC -, it was
not my intention to spam the entire list with this. In my defense it
seems to have been a Gmail web interface bug involving the Reply-To
field (I had clicked "invite to chat" for the sender of a particular
message only), but I can't be sure before investigating further.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who worked on carrying out the switch to
the new list name!

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Tilman Bayer  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Tilman Bayer has invited you to sign up for Google Talk so you can talk to 
> each other for free over your computers.
>
> To sign-up, go to:
> http://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=talk&sendvemail=true&skipvpage=true&reqemail=wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org&continue=http://www.google.com/talk/service/handleinvite?p%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.m8q22IzBg1MRucFWGaKIOzQ7ZHkwEGO5kVV29HfT4jkArhHDKw8Hao2BV9E2B2wt52RmeOvmd5X2LGChTipWSA.qY9pqOAk5ahlLIj1C4fHiA&followup=http://www.google.com/talk/service/HandleEmailVerified?ee%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.hXUMdgU39JfyoX053cJ9LRX6LUwOOCOXCY7aKNcYIxw.1MCCQhN6BQInekBxqGSspA%26p%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.m8q22IzBg1MRucFWGaKIOzQ7ZHkwEGO5kVV29HfT4jkArhHDKw8Hao2BV9E2B2wt52RmeOvmd5X2LGChTipWSA.qY9pqOAk5ahlLIj1C4fHiA
>
> Google Talk is a downloadable Windows* application that offers:
> - Free calls over your computer anytime, from anywhere, and for as long as 
> you want
> - A simple and intuitive user interface for sending instant messages or 
> making calls--no clutter, pop-ups or ads
> - Superior voice quality through just a microphone and computer speaker
> - Fast file transfers with no restrictions on file type
>
> After signing-up, download Google Talk and sign in with your new Google 
> Account username and password.
> You can then begin inviting anyone you want to talk to for free.
>
> Google Talk works with any computer speaker and microphone, such as the ones 
> built-in to many PC laptops today,
> as well as with wired and wireless headsets and USB phones. Google Talk also 
> works across all firewalls.
>
> Google Talk is still in beta. Just like with Gmail, we're working hard to add 
> features and make improvements,
> so we might also ask for your comments and suggestions periodically. We 
> appreciate your help in making it even better!
>
> Thanks,
>
> The Google Talk Team
>
> To learn more about Google Talk before signing up, visit:
>
> http://www.google.com/talk/about.html
>
> (If clicking the URLs in this message does not work, copy and paste them into 
> the address bar of your browser).
>
> * Not a Windows user? No problem. You can also connect to the Google Talk 
> service from any platform using third-party clients
> (http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html).
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Travel Guide

[James Heilman]

Typically policies and guidelines are decided by the community of editors
that make up a specific site. With respect to referencing and research
these will be somewhat different from an encyclopdia which is why
attempting to combine this content into Wikipedia is not really
appropriate. Also travel information is more in a "how to tone" rather than
an encyclopedic one.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tilman Bayer has invited you to use Google Talk

[Nathan]

You can forever claim to have baptised the list with its very first spam
message :-P

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Tilman Bayer  wrote:

> My sincere apologies. While of course everyone on this list is
> cordially invited to chat with me at any time - also on IRC -, it was
> not my intention to spam the entire list with this. In my defense it
> seems to have been a Gmail web interface bug involving the Reply-To
> field (I had clicked "invite to chat" for the sender of a particular
> message only), but I can't be sure before investigating further.
>
> Anyway, thanks to everyone who worked on carrying out the switch to
> the new list name!
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Tilman Bayer 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > Tilman Bayer has invited you to sign up for Google Talk so you can talk
> to each other for free over your computers.
> >
> > To sign-up, go to:
> >
> http://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=talk&sendvemail=true&skipvpage=true&reqemail=wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org&continue=http://www.google.com/talk/service/handleinvite?p%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.m8q22IzBg1MRucFWGaKIOzQ7ZHkwEGO5kVV29HfT4jkArhHDKw8Hao2BV9E2B2wt52RmeOvmd5X2LGChTipWSA.qY9pqOAk5ahlLIj1C4fHiA&followup=http://www.google.com/talk/service/HandleEmailVerified?ee%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.hXUMdgU39JfyoX053cJ9LRX6LUwOOCOXCY7aKNcYIxw.1MCCQhN6BQInekBxqGSspA%26p%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.m8q22IzBg1MRucFWGaKIOzQ7ZHkwEGO5kVV29HfT4jkArhHDKw8Hao2BV9E2B2wt52RmeOvmd5X2LGChTipWSA.qY9pqOAk5ahlLIj1C4fHiA
> >
> > Google Talk is a downloadable Windows* application that offers:
> > - Free calls over your computer anytime, from anywhere, and for as long
> as you want
> > - A simple and intuitive user interface for sending instant messages or
> making calls--no clutter, pop-ups or ads
> > - Superior voice quality through just a microphone and computer speaker
> > - Fast file transfers with no restrictions on file type
> >
> > After signing-up, download Google Talk and sign in with your new Google
> Account username and password.
> > You can then begin inviting anyone you want to talk to for free.
> >
> > Google Talk works with any computer speaker and microphone, such as the
> ones built-in to many PC laptops today,
> > as well as with wired and wireless headsets and USB phones. Google Talk
> also works across all firewalls.
> >
> > Google Talk is still in beta. Just like with Gmail, we're working hard
> to add features and make improvements,
> > so we might also ask for your comments and suggestions periodically. We
> appreciate your help in making it even better!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > The Google Talk Team
> >
> > To learn more about Google Talk before signing up, visit:
> >
> > http://www.google.com/talk/about.html
> >
> > (If clicking the URLs in this message does not work, copy and paste them
> into the address bar of your browser).
> >
> > * Not a Windows user? No problem. You can also connect to the Google
> Talk service from any platform using third-party clients
> > (http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html).
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tilman Bayer has invited you to use Google Talk

[Mike Dupont]

Well good to see that I am subscribed, i was wondering if it worked.
mike

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Nathan  wrote:

> You can forever claim to have baptised the list with its very first spam
> message :-P
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Tilman Bayer  wrote:
>
> > My sincere apologies. While of course everyone on this list is
> > cordially invited to chat with me at any time - also on IRC -, it was
> > not my intention to spam the entire list with this. In my defense it
> > seems to have been a Gmail web interface bug involving the Reply-To
> > field (I had clicked "invite to chat" for the sender of a particular
> > message only), but I can't be sure before investigating further.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks to everyone who worked on carrying out the switch to
> > the new list name!
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Tilman Bayer 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> > >
> > >
> > > Tilman Bayer has invited you to sign up for Google Talk so you can talk
> > to each other for free over your computers.
> > >
> > > To sign-up, go to:
> > >
> >
> http://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=talk&sendvemail=true&skipvpage=true&reqemail=wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org&continue=http://www.google.com/talk/service/handleinvite?p%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.m8q22IzBg1MRucFWGaKIOzQ7ZHkwEGO5kVV29HfT4jkArhHDKw8Hao2BV9E2B2wt52RmeOvmd5X2LGChTipWSA.qY9pqOAk5ahlLIj1C4fHiA&followup=http://www.google.com/talk/service/HandleEmailVerified?ee%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.hXUMdgU39JfyoX053cJ9LRX6LUwOOCOXCY7aKNcYIxw.1MCCQhN6BQInekBxqGSspA%26p%3D_ZjMaDgBAAA.m8q22IzBg1MRucFWGaKIOzQ7ZHkwEGO5kVV29HfT4jkArhHDKw8Hao2BV9E2B2wt52RmeOvmd5X2LGChTipWSA.qY9pqOAk5ahlLIj1C4fHiA
> > >
> > > Google Talk is a downloadable Windows* application that offers:
> > > - Free calls over your computer anytime, from anywhere, and for as long
> > as you want
> > > - A simple and intuitive user interface for sending instant messages or
> > making calls--no clutter, pop-ups or ads
> > > - Superior voice quality through just a microphone and computer speaker
> > > - Fast file transfers with no restrictions on file type
> > >
> > > After signing-up, download Google Talk and sign in with your new Google
> > Account username and password.
> > > You can then begin inviting anyone you want to talk to for free.
> > >
> > > Google Talk works with any computer speaker and microphone, such as the
> > ones built-in to many PC laptops today,
> > > as well as with wired and wireless headsets and USB phones. Google Talk
> > also works across all firewalls.
> > >
> > > Google Talk is still in beta. Just like with Gmail, we're working hard
> > to add features and make improvements,
> > > so we might also ask for your comments and suggestions periodically. We
> > appreciate your help in making it even better!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > The Google Talk Team
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> > > To learn more about Google Talk before signing up, visit:
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> > > http://www.google.com/talk/about.html
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> > > * Not a Windows user? No problem. You can also connect to the Google
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> > > (http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html).
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[Wikimedia-l] New list description - draft

[Erik Moeller]

As promised, a separate note about slightly revising the list
description to make it more inclusive and up-to-date:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l

I've included a sentence at the bottom which is a summary of the
moderation principles that were previously posted here:

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-November/056032.html

I would ask the list mods to review whether it's an accurate summary.

Please edit/discuss on-wiki; if this looks sensible, I'll make the
update later this week.

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 15 -- 09 April 2012

[Wikipedia Signpost]

Wikidata: The next big thing? An interview with Wikidata
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-09/Wikidata

Interview: Funds, fiduciaries, and the Foundation: the complex dynamics of 
scaling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-09/Interview

News and notes: Projects launched in Brazil and the Middle East as advisors 
sought for funds committee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-09/News_and_notes

WikiProject report: The Land of Steady Habits: WikiProject Connecticut
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-09/WikiProject_report

Featured content: Assassination, genocide, internment, murder, and 
crucification: the bloodiest of the week
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-09/Featured_content

Arbitration report: Arbitration evidence-limit motions, two open cases
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-09/Arbitration_report

Technology report: Next Wikimedia deployment already in the pipeline and 
details of recent performance improvements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-09/Technology_report


Single page view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single

PDF version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-09


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Travel Guide

[Strainu]

În data de 9 aprilie 2012, 21:17, Ziko van Dijk
 a scris:
> One might get problems with policies such as NOR and NPOV. I suppose
> that they should be applied on Wiki Travel Guide, as on Wikipedia,
> Wikibooks and other Wikimedia sites.

If using these as they are now would be a precondition for hosting the
project at wikimedia, then Wikivoyage is better of on its own. I'm not
that familiar with the rules of these different sites, but the
articles did not strike me as extremely neutral - but not clearly
partisan either. Most of them are very near that balance that makes
them appealing to a large public while keeping them serious.

În data de 9 aprilie 2012, 20:49, Juergen Fenn
 a scris:
>
> As I've just written on the talk page there: Frankly speaking, I don't
> think we need another wiki on travelling as there already is
> Wikivoyage.

Splitting is indeed a bad idea.

În data de 9 aprilie 2012, 20:49, Juergen Fenn
 a scris:
> German editors of Wikivoyage most probably will not change to a WMF project.

În data de 10 aprilie 2012, 02:17, James Heilman  a scris:
>  There is reasons why the English community does not simply
> rejoin the German community at WikiVoyage.

Splitting on language barriers is even worse :) I understand you guys
already have a German NGO, which, as I've come to know, offers many
advantages for European users over an American one. But the truth is
the WMF has an extensive expertise on running MediaWiki-based websites
and you would always have the latest version of the software and
acceptable support from the developers. Plus, the single sign-on would
also help with participation.

Perhaps your contributors would be interested in some kind of
collaboration scheme, were the WMF would host the site? The idea has
been brought up on this list some time ago for Citizendium, why could
we not apply it for other projects? I think this would also fit with
the WMF's intention to broaden the types of affiliation it allows.

Regards,
  Strainu

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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia mobile application development

[MZMcBride]

Hi.

I've been having difficulty wrapping my head around Wikimedia's (relatively)
recent efforts in mobile application development. I understand that reaching
users on mobile platforms is important to the Wikimedia Foundation and I've
read  and related
pages.

Mobile seems to have two branches these days: (1) the mobile versions of the
sites; and more recently (2) specific mobile applications. Branch 1 is
fairly understandable. What I'm having difficulty understanding is branch 2.

The idea behind free and open content is that the content can be taken and
reused and redistributed by others without issue. That's part of the great
beauty of Wikimedia wikis. With a vibrant app market for both Androids and
iPhones, why is Wikimedia getting involved in mobile application
development? Isn't this something best left to third parties (which, as I
understand it, have already filled the "Wikipedia app" niche with a variety
of options for both platforms) or interested volunteers?

MZMcBride



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