[Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
A few hours ago, a year after the discussion on this list about editor retention and communication,[1] email notification[2] of edits to watchlisted pages has been enabled on all Wikimedia projects — at last! Until yesterday, only 16 lucky content projects, including Commons (plus a bunch of small backstage wikis), benefited from this feature. There are still a few steps left, to monitor performance impact.[3] The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their watchlist before they opt-out. Nemo [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/thread.html#65294 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Watching_pages#E-mail_notification [3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28026#c53 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. —vvv On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: A few hours ago, a year after the discussion on this list about editor retention and communication,[1] email notification[2] of edits to watchlisted pages has been enabled on all Wikimedia projects — at last! Until yesterday, only 16 lucky content projects, including Commons (plus a bunch of small backstage wikis), benefited from this feature. There are still a few steps left, to monitor performance impact.[3] The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their watchlist before they opt-out. Nemo [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/thread.html#65294 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Watching_pages#E-mail_notification [3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28026#c53 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
- Original Message - From: Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. Agree. The whole thing seems a tad unnecessary to me, since most users tend to contribute to their home language wikipedia, and perhaps Commons, but little else. A talk page edit is therefore unlikely to be important enough to need immediate action, but if the issue *is* important, a more focussed email may be sent to SUL users. Perhaps this might be a more useful option. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. A daily digest would be cool. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30187 -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
Automatically adjusting the email frequency might be a worthwhile feature to strive for: If an editor hasn't logged in within the past 30 days, revert to monthly digest, that way we don't drive editors away with the email frequency. -Stephanie On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:07 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. A daily digest would be cool. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30187 -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 00:05, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. Then turn off the feature. New users dont know how to turn it on. The emails can explain how to turn it off. So the feature sends out one email per watchlist edit? If so, I can imagine a few users finding themselves with hundreds of emails before they next checked their mail and saw any opportunity to switch it off. Could a site banner be put up just to let users know it's there, perhaps with a link to a page of explanation about what it does and how to switch it on? Sounds better to me than risking potential surprise email barrages. Bodnotbod ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 00:05, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: New users dont know how to turn it on. ...and I've just had a little trouble myself. I looked under the 'watchlist' tab of my prefs. It isn't there. It's under 'user profile'. Hmmm. Bodnotbod ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
On 27 April 2012 22:27, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their watchlist before they opt-out. Would it be possible to have it like SUL - if you create an account after X date it is automatically watchlist-email-enabled, if you have an older account you have to manually turn it on. The problem then becomes notifying people that they can have emailed watchlist alerts, as without some form of notification we'll be having people saying wait, we can do that? in 2015... Perhaps a way to do it would be to trigger a *single* email to a user who doesn't have it enabled, at the time their first triggered watchlist edit would be sent out, informing them of the system and inviting them to turn it on if desired, with an explicit statement that unless they do, there won't be any further emails? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi everyone, As you may be aware, Wikimedia has updated its Terms of Use. This updated version will become effective on May 25, 2012, and can be reviewed herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_%282012%29/en.[1] A short overview of some of the changes is set out herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/New_Terms_of_use. [2] Best wishes, Philippe Terms of use are boring, and most of us are pretty jaded by how impenetrable, legalistic and, well, awful, most terms of use are on the internet. I want to congratulate you and your department on NOT doing this. The new terms of use are written in clear English, well set out, and cover what seem to be the appropriate bases without being overly verbose and cautious. Well done, Philippe, Geoff, and everyone else. I am also impressed. It actually ends up being the best one piece introduction to what Wikimedia *is* that I have ever read. A lot of thought and consideration were soundly invested in that document. Clarity on that level is HARD, but well worth the effort. I also am thinking that the staff have just set a rather high bar for the board. Imagine if all board resolutions were written with as just as much focus on clarity and as on circumspection. These terms of use show it is possible. Birgitte SB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
