Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-11 Thread emijrp
Mike is the terror of deletionists.

Good work.

2012/6/10 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com

 Hi,
 I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
 with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
 hoaxes, not others).
 it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
 on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
 hope you enjoy it,
 thanks,
 mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-11 Thread Thomas Morton
Indeed; and so it was...

{{facepalm}}

Tom

On 11 June 2012 17:32, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:

 here is one that is worth keeping!
 http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Rootstrikers

 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:57 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:

  Mike is the terror of deletionists.
 
  Good work.
 
  2012/6/10 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
 
   Hi,
   I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
 minutes
   with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable
 and
   hoaxes, not others).
   it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
  all
   on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam
 codebases.
   hope you enjoy it,
   thanks,
   mike
   --
   James Michael DuPont
   Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
   Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-11 Thread Andrew Gray
On 11 June 2012 08:40, Mike  Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
 After rereading your question, it boils down to if the tags are wrong. If
 the tags are wrong we will have to deal with them on a case by case issue,
 and I see that we will have to do more finer tagging of articles to be
 deleted, I hope that this will be the outcome of my effort to see that
 articles that are properly tagged and deleted according to a fair and
 transparent set of rules. lets work on this together to make the wikipedia
 better.

There's a couple of problems here.

One is that speedy deletion tags don't often get stacked - if people
see something that fills two criteria, they'll often tag them with
just one, and usually prefer the clearer criteria, the one with less
subjectivity about interpretation. Usually, this is seen with copyvio
+ not notable = only tag for copyvio; but it also manifests itself in
the cases Brad mentions - not notable + negatively slanted = usually
tagged for notability rather than negativity. This is a problem,
because understandably most of the cases you want to *keep* are the
not-notable ones...

Secondly, some admins will delete abusive material on sight without
waiting to tag it (which is skirting around best practice, but widely
accepted for unambiguously bad content), and some people prefer to
use hand-written CSD reasons. Both of these may end up with
harder-to-interpret deletion logs (they don't contain the codes) - I'm
not sure how your system works with these.

 What is the current policy now? you have articles in dumps that contain
 these offending materials i presume if they are not that new. What is the
 difference between a dump on wikpedia and a dump on archive.org, and a dump
 on wikia?

The difference is that one is a hard-to-accidentally-stumble-across
dump, and one is a publicly readable website ;-)

I do not believe there are active moves to remove material from older
dumps. *However*, the damage from problematic material surviving in
dumps is relatively low, because most speedily deleted material tends
never to make it into a dump.

Let's assume dumps are twice-weekly. If every article tagged for
speedy deletion on creation lasts for six hours before being
removed, then there's approximately a 1/60 chance of it being around
to when the dump triggers. By contrast, around 50% of articles marked
with PROD just after creation will survive into the dump, even if
deleted, and substantially over 50% of articles put through AFD on
creation will be dumped even if deleted, because the frequency of
relisting means many of them are tagged for two weeks.

As a result, CSD material - which is where the worst content usually
is - is much less likely to get dumped than AFD material.

Some dumped abusive material does make it out onto reuse sites,
though, and it's an incredible pain to deal with - people find it a
year or two later, mirrored on an abandoned ad-farm website, and write
us distressed letters about trying to get it removed. We can't do
anything about it - these sites are usually completely uncontactable
and don't care anyway - and it's quite an unpleasant experience for
all concerned.

If you're going to expose these on wikia as well as making archive
files, I'd strongly recommend you give a clearly visible contact
address to have material removed if needed - it'll save everyone
involved lot of stress in future!

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