[Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
Hello, I just wanted to share my feelings: I went to en.wikipedia.org today and I saw this message on top: Happy Birthday Wikipedia! 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop My first impression was: I think I mistyped the URL... //Saper ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
My weather-forecast for this mailinglist today - Storms. Hans A. Rosbach On 14 January 2013 10:04, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote: Hello, I just wanted to share my feelings: I went to en.wikipedia.org today and I saw this message on top: Happy Birthday Wikipedia! 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop My first impression was: I think I mistyped the URL... //Saper ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices)
Yes there is some data on templating in a research paper somewhere, and some more on a/b template runs. But the solution is not trivial. I have stuck up for a few editors who appear to be children, suggesting that we treat them a little more gently, only to be told that they are in fact trolls, pretending to be children, pretending to create obvious socks... When I joined Wikipedia I was constantly being surprised (and delighted) by the unwillingness to block, the willingness to unblock, the IAR ethos when something did something obviously good that broke a rule. I get the feeling that many admins still have the same /attitude/ they are just to weary to AGF. UNblock is pretty much always standard offer or nothing - even people who say I see what I did was wrong but.. end up with their talk page access removed, or giving up. This is not about the vandalism only accounts, this is people who do something stupid, and something in good faith, or make a mistake. They may well not be ready to edit for a few years, but we are building up a resentment about Wikipedia that is visible in every comments section of every article about Wikipedia I tired to edit once and it got reverted. Of course there will always be some who won't engage with discussion, but fundamentally we should be able to engage these people, rather than alienate them. On 03/01/2013 10:01, Thomas Morton wrote: It might help; often it is surprising how statistical analysis can help narrow the focus of such efforts. For example; it is taken as a given that incivility drives away new users, but do we have hard statistical evidence to back that up? And if that is a true situation, can we identify specifically what uncivil things are driving the most editors away (rudeness, templating, etc.). Although please lets do it without words like big data, which makes me squirm :P Tom ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
Marcin Cieslak wrote: I just wanted to share my feelings: I went to en.wikipedia.org today and I saw this message on top: Happy Birthday Wikipedia! 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop My first impression was: I think I mistyped the URL... I primarily contribute to Wikipedia, so I can't say for sure, but I would imagine it wouldn't feel great to look at the Wikimedia Shop right now as a Wiktionarian or a Wikinewsie or a Wikisorcerer or I primarily contribute in English, so I can't say for sure, but I would imagine it wouldn't feel great to look at the Wikimedia Shop right now as someone who primarily speaks French or Spanish or German or Italian or I imagine most active users have given up on CentralNotice and have the banners permanently hidden while logged in. But it isn't the banner that bothers me as much as the place to which it leads. These are solvable problems. We can do better. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
Aye, I know it's something new and not that not all together uncontroversial. I posted about my thoughts and proposed plan on enWP last week ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Wikimedia_Shop_Central_Notices_and_Sale_for_Wikipedia_Birthdaywith a pointer on WP:AN) and while we got relatively little conversation on wiki I got a lot of feedback from community members off wiki as well. It was also in the signpost notes last week ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-01-07/News_and_notes) In fact I got 10 users emailing complaining that I was late setting it up this evening (they were right). The test planned for tomorrow (for Anonymous users in North America, without a discount) is mostly to see the potential for this to fund the Giveaway program we've been running ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merchandise_giveaways ) that is a run away success. We see both of these as very much a test and even if it succeeds something that should only be done incredibly rarely and with community input, but I think it's a good thing to test. James James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote: Hello, I just wanted to share my feelings: I went to en.wikipedia.org today and I saw this message on top: Happy Birthday Wikipedia! 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop My first impression was: I think I mistyped the URL... //Saper ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))
Yes, of course - why didn't we think of that? Actually the lack of rules and lack of punishments means (meant) it was bloody hard to game the system. Now we have a calcified set of rules and an oligarchy, passive-aggressives have a field day. Rules-lawyers abound, polite requests to the oligarchy are met with insults about mind-set and other newspeak comments. Meanwhile the 99% of editors that just want to edit and the 95% of admins that just want to help the project are stymied at every turn, scared to get involved in the processes. A number of years ago the oligarchy destroyed hope (Esperanza) - now the Wikiquette noticeboard has gone. Power is increasingly in fewer and fewer hands, a significant number of whom have, over the years, and indeed recently, abused that power. The solution for social problems is socialisation. We have some great exponents of that art in Dennis Brown, Worm That Turned and several others. For those that won't be socialised, the solution is ostracism - or blocking as it is known. Provided this is used with caution on community members, and with no longer duration than necessary it is a good solution. On 04/01/2013 06:27, Tim Starling wrote: The solution for social problems is to have rules and a means to punish people who break them. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
James Alexander, 14/01/2013 10:44: The test planned for tomorrow (for Anonymous users in North America, without a discount) is mostly to see the potential for this to fund the Giveaway program we've been running ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merchandise_giveaways ) that is a run away success. Do I understand correctly that you meant to target the notice to USA users only? That's a good idea, probably, given the unaddressed complaints on undelivered items abroad https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_merchandise#USPS_Priority_Mail_Int.27l_reliability; but I did see it this morning, so perhaps something went wrong. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
On 14 January 2013 10:34, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: James Alexander, 14/01/2013 10:44: The test planned for tomorrow (for Anonymous users in North America, without a discount) is mostly to see the potential for this to fund the Giveaway program we've been running ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merchandise_giveaways ) that is a run away success. Do I understand correctly that you meant to target the notice to USA users only? That's a good idea, probably, given the unaddressed complaints on undelivered items abroad https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_merchandise#USPS_Priority_Mail_Int.27l_reliability; but I did see it this morning, so perhaps something went wrong. Visible here in the UK. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: James Alexander, 14/01/2013 10:44: The test planned for tomorrow (for Anonymous users in North America, without a discount) is mostly to see the potential for this to fund the Giveaway program we've been running ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:Merchandise_**giveawayshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merchandise_giveaways) that is a run away success. Do I understand correctly that you meant to target the notice to USA users only? That's a good idea, probably, given the unaddressed complaints on undelivered items abroad https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_**merchandise#USPS_Priority_**Mail_Int.27l_reliabilityhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_merchandise#USPS_Priority_Mail_Int.27l_reliability; but I did see it this morning, so perhaps something went wrong. Nemo The survey today is worldwide but the one for tomorrow is supposed to be North America in general (we've found that shipping to Canada and Mexico is much better overall). That said however thank you for showing me that link, somehow I didn't get my normal notification and missed it. I responded on wiki as well now but you should know that we were seeing the same problems. To be honest I was taken by surprise at how bad USPS Priority was internationally despite their promises to the contrary. Because of that we took it away as an option for International users completely and no longer use it for our flat rate shipping either (which we subsidize so that no one has to pay too much). Currently all international packages are going to be sent FedEx which we've used as a foundation for a very long timer with success. FYI: It's about 3am here so I'm going to be heading to bed but will obviously be able to answer more questions in the morning if there are any. James ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:46 AM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: The survey today is worldwide And by survey I obviously mean banner...clearly time for sleep James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))
Socialization is usually best achieved through rewards rather than through punishments. The principle reward is a sense of achievement when good editing is done or good administrative work done. In the case of editing the reward, absent trouble, is instantaneous as your work is published. Fred Yes, of course - why didn't we think of that? Actually the lack of rules and lack of punishments means (meant) it was bloody hard to game the system. Now we have a calcified set of rules and an oligarchy, passive-aggressives have a field day. Rules-lawyers abound, polite requests to the oligarchy are met with insults about mind-set and other newspeak comments. Meanwhile the 99% of editors that just want to edit and the 95% of admins that just want to help the project are stymied at every turn, scared to get involved in the processes. A number of years ago the oligarchy destroyed hope (Esperanza) - now the Wikiquette noticeboard has gone. Power is increasingly in fewer and fewer hands, a significant number of whom have, over the years, and indeed recently, abused that power. The solution for social problems is socialisation. We have some great exponents of that art in Dennis Brown, Worm That Turned and several others. For those that won't be socialised, the solution is ostracism - or blocking as it is known. Provided this is used with caution on community members, and with no longer duration than necessary it is a good solution. On 04/01/2013 06:27, Tim Starling wrote: The solution for social problems is to have rules and a means to punish people who break them. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
James, Do be careful about using FedEx for stuff that has to be there by a particular day. When the WMF has posted things to me in the past, FedEx have refused to deliver on weekends, leaving me with a trip to the airport in the snow to pick up the packages! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 14 January 2013 10:46, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: James Alexander, 14/01/2013 10:44: The test planned for tomorrow (for Anonymous users in North America, without a discount) is mostly to see the potential for this to fund the Giveaway program we've been running ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:Merchandise_**giveaways http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merchandise_giveaways) that is a run away success. Do I understand correctly that you meant to target the notice to USA users only? That's a good idea, probably, given the unaddressed complaints on undelivered items abroad https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_**merchandise#USPS_Priority_**Mail_Int.27l_reliability https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_merchandise#USPS_Priority_Mail_Int.27l_reliability ; but I did see it this morning, so perhaps something went wrong. Nemo The survey today is worldwide but the one for tomorrow is supposed to be North America in general (we've found that shipping to Canada and Mexico is much better overall). That said however thank you for showing me that link, somehow I didn't get my normal notification and missed it. I responded on wiki as well now but you should know that we were seeing the same problems. To be honest I was taken by surprise at how bad USPS Priority was internationally despite their promises to the contrary. Because of that we took it away as an option for International users completely and no longer use it for our flat rate shipping either (which we subsidize so that no one has to pay too much). Currently all international packages are going to be sent FedEx which we've used as a foundation for a very long timer with success. FYI: It's about 3am here so I'm going to be heading to bed but will obviously be able to answer more questions in the morning if there are any. James ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
Hello, Here in the Netherlands the banner can be seen e.g. on de.wikipedia.org. I don't know what to think about it, it makes a commercial impression similar to an advert (which it actually is). Kind regards Ziko ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
This is rather silly - we have people complaining about the name Wikimedia being near Wikipedia (oh no!) and complaining about FedEx and airports. The real question is below. *Is it appropriate to risk the very real risk of banner blindness for the shop?* Where do we draw the line? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nlwrote: Hello, Here in the Netherlands the banner can be seen e.g. on de.wikipedia.org. I don't know what to think about it, it makes a commercial impression similar to an advert (which it actually is). Kind regards Ziko ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
Hi James, Firstly kudos for trying to get an alternate revenue stream going as opposed to donations. I'd be surprised if you could get merchandising to the point where it funds core operations, but it is certainly worth trying. If you are facing high international transport costs then I'd suggest working out which countries the USPS does work well for and only using fedex where post doesn't work, and also trialling the sort of small high value items like cufflinks and memory sticks where transport costs are less important. But if you really want me to get excited about the shop, try stocking flip flops with modified soles. I'm sure I'm not the only person who'd like to walk along the beach leaving a trail of [citation needed] tracks. WSC ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz Community Impact
*I sent this to the staff list and am sending it to wikimedia-l now as well. I didn’t know Aaron Swartz, but many friends and colleagues that I respect and admire were influenced and impacted, by both his life and death. I’m sad for those who knew him, and I carry the sense that the world is a worse place for his absence. I’m worried that other talented, smart people who see what is wrong with this world and try to change it against overwhelming odds will see this as one more thing that tips the scales towards the “this isn’t worth it” or “I can’t exist like this”, slide a little further down the slippery slope into their own abyss. I’m worried about people in pain and confusion, who may not have the people in their lives who are able to handle explicit or implicit expressions of pain and grief, who may feel isolated or sad and not able to reach out for help, or don’t believe they can be helped. I started my career studying depression treatment and prevention because I’ve seen what it does to people - whether they’re beautifully ordinary people you’d meet on the street or whether they’re great shining lights whose loss makes you want to rail at an unfair universe - and because I have my own history of major depressive episodes and my own sit-down with a bottle of pills one dark night and I’ve grieved suicide in my own family system and lived with its consequences. For the living, different kinds of death leave different kinds of wounds, and I think suicide leaves the most jagged, livid ones. If you’ve had a loved one pass from illness or old age, the wound is just different than that of suicide. As an illness, depression is painful and inherently isolating, and it makes people feel terrible about themselves - and isolation is a major factor for suicide. Depression slams blinders on possibility, when people most need to be able to see the options and paths before and around them, and when people need to have access. The state inherently robs someone of their ability - and even of the belief that help is possible and available. My favorite author http://www.amazon.com/Night-Falls-Fast-Understanding-Suicide/dp/0375701478on this topic, Kay Redfield Jamison, wrote “When people are suicidal, their thinking is paralyzed, their options appear spare or nonexistent, their mood is despairing, and hopelessness permeates their entire mental domain. The future cannot be separated from the present, and the present is painful beyond solace.” The factors that generally lead to depression and suicide are complex, though people keep trying to find the one tipping point thing, the one cause. At the end of the day, death forces the living to sit with the unknowns. I think anecdotally that if you live long enough, you develop a certain resiliency and a greater capacity - but that’s if you get to that point in the first place. So here’s your public service announcement - communities where there is exposure to suicide via media/internet carry greater risks. It’s called suicide contagion http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00031539.htm. As a community, it’s worth it to be informed and to be extra care-full of those we interact with, and to take increased care of your mental health. (Take a walk. Call a friend.) Major risk factors http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide/riskprotectivefactors.htmlfor suicide include mental disorders, especially mood disorders, hopelessness, impulsive/aggressive tendencies, family history or previous attempts, physical illness, job/financial loss, relationship loss, lack of social support and isolation, stigma associated with asking for help, cultural beliefs, and exposure to others who have committed suicide (via internet as a form of transmission). If someone you know is suicidal (and especially if they have a plan), get help. Don’t try to talk them out of suicide. Don’t tell them their family will miss them or that they’ll be a huge loss, even though both of those are true. Listen to them. Tell them what they’re going through is temporary, even if they’ve lived with it for awhile, and that It’s treatable. It will pass. And for the love of anything you consider holy, get professional help. They’ll often believe they can’t be helped. If it’s you, please ask for it. I will find you help. You are not alone. If you have or had suicidal thoughts, you’re not crazy. It’s okay - or at least, it’s not yet but it will be. It’s a signal flare that it’s time to get aid. Rilke wrote, “I am not yet wise in my grief so this great darkness makes me small” and I’ve thought often of that line because I needed it to remind me that I had to learn to be wiser, especially in my grief. I think the other thing to remember are the words of Mary Oliver, that “To live in this world, you must be able to do three things: to love what is mortal; to hold it against your bones knowing your own life depends on it; and, when the time comes to let it go, to let it go.” For the living, grieving Aaron and
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
On 14 January 2013 14:02, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.comwrote: snip But if you really want me to get excited about the shop, try stocking flip flops with modified soles. I'm sure I'm not the only person who'd like to walk along the beach leaving a trail of [citation needed] tracks. WSC I have to saythis is brilliant. Plus it made me laugh out loud. Risker ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 January 2013 14:02, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.comwrote: snip But if you really want me to get excited about the shop, try stocking flip flops with modified soles. I'm sure I'm not the only person who'd like to walk along the beach leaving a trail of [citation needed] tracks. WSC I have to saythis is brilliant. Plus it made me laugh out loud. A+++ WOULD BUY! -Sage ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
First of all, I'm glad there's a Wikimedia Shop. I don't think it'll make big money, but even if it's only self-sustaining it's totally worth it. I also think that generally we should be happy to try stuff out and use banners to advertise new services. However, I share with Mono the worry that large, colorful and distracting banners are becoming the standard, rather than the exception. I think part of the reason why big banners are used is because they are easier to create: most banners are created by copying existing banners and most existing banners are those huge fundraising banners. We should remember that we have banners in all flavours: * very low key --- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=stew2011_noms * short small --- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=WMDE_community_budget * a bit larger --- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=BrazilMeetups * do not use! --- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=money_or_die James, was the banner type/size a conscious decision you made? Or did you just choose to go with a standard (big) banner? Regards, Tobias ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Tobias church.of.emacs...@googlemail.comwrote: First of all, I'm glad there's a Wikimedia Shop. I don't think it'll make big money, but even if it's only self-sustaining it's totally worth it. I also think that generally we should be happy to try stuff out and use banners to advertise new services. However, I share with Mono the worry that large, colorful and distracting banners are becoming the standard, rather than the exception. I think part of the reason why big banners are used is because they are easier to create: most banners are created by copying existing banners and most existing banners are those huge fundraising banners. We should remember that we have banners in all flavours: * very low key --- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Special: **NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=**stew2011_nomshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=stew2011_noms * short small --- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/** index.php?title=Special:**NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=** WMDE_community_budgethttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=WMDE_community_budget * a bit larger --- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Special: **NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=**BrazilMeetupshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=BrazilMeetups * do not use! --- https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Special:* *NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=**money_or_diehttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemplate=money_or_die James, was the banner type/size a conscious decision you made? Or did you just choose to go with a standard (big) banner? Regards, Tobias Thanks Tobias, I generally agree that banners have been overused, they have a big effect but a big presence and we don't want to abuse that. I'm really happy to see things like Echo being worked on in Engineering which will add a much better 'intermediate' choice for messaging which we currently really don't have. The size of the banner was a conscious choice but one I thought about for a fair bit. It's what I would generally consider a 'medium' banner but has clearly migrated itself to being one of the larger types that we use, compared to the past couple years where they tended to be significantly bigger (generally mirroring the size of the fundraising banners at the time which were significantly larger then this). These ones are around 100px which is the size or smaller (depending on the banner) then the fundraising banners this year (before they expanded). For those interested the general idea I was trying to do was to pick a size that was the smallest it could be while still getting the information across that I thought was important. In general that meant I wanted: - Everyone to know that it was a shop banner, I didn't want anyone clicking on it without knowing that's what it was ( or at least as few people as we can). - To know that it was targeted at Editors/Volunteers and that some of the merch was specifically targeted at that. - To know that it was run by the foundation so that people, hopefully, don't think that we've been hacked or that some random shop was doing this. - Be generally readable without effort I wanted to more specifically call out on the banner that the profits went to the Merchandise Giveaway Program that has been a runaway success but, to be honest, I both ran out of space and it's more of a reality for the public push because we've cut out almost all of the margin for the logged in sale. I try to support a bunch of different window sizes and resolutions and in the end it just didn't seem to work well any smaller then this (but didn't have to be any bigger). We still have some issues with the smaller side of windows/resolutions and am still looking at good ways to adapt for that but are getting there. James James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop
When Wikimedia projects volunteers in Brazil were organizing a challenge for the Portuguese Wikipedia [1], there were some ideas of making personalized Wikipedia objects [2] adapter for the local context for the prizes, like flip flops, among others, mainly because of our famous [citation needed] havaianas. [3] [1] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/21/grand-prix-wikimedia-brazil-racing-towards-a-better-wikipedia/ [2] http://blogs.estadao.com.br/link/positivo-quer-wikipedia-offline-em-computadores/ [3] http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havaianas On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 January 2013 14:02, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.comwrote: snip But if you really want me to get excited about the shop, try stocking flip flops with modified soles. I'm sure I'm not the only person who'd like to walk along the beach leaving a trail of [citation needed] tracks. WSC I have to saythis is brilliant. Plus it made me laugh out loud. -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead
It is worth to listen professor Lessig interview on Democracy now http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/14/an_incredible_soul_lawrence_lessig_remembers#.UPRn4_WqvF0.twitter An Incredible Soul -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))
Of course any effort to make article source more readable meets with opposition - in the case of references in particular. And not only from those who cite CITEVAR legitimately, but from at least one admin who will block for putting references in numerical order. These are the sorts of things which would not have lasted long in (admittedly slightly mythical) Good Old Days On 04/01/2013 15:48, David Gerard wrote: I spent idle time in the holiday week working on [[:en:OpenOffice]]. Wikitext is just awful these days, particularly in an article like that where every assertion needs and has a cite. Anyone who thinks wikitext is just fine for the job, I urge you to click edit and contemplate fixing the guacamole you see before you. Sure hope the visual editor makes managing references on an article like that easier. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot has now started to generate 1-1, 5 M articles of species on sv:wp
On 11 January 2013 16:45, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: Inspired by the botgenerated articles of species made on nl:wp in late 2010 a colleague of mine, User:Lsj, started a similar project on sv:wp early 2012. By October 2012 his bot had generated some 65 000 articles, with essentially complete coverage of all fungi and birds. For bird species, you may wish to replicate and deploy this en.Wikipedia template: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Xeno-canto_species -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead
(For the first time I am finally posting on the Wikimedia-l list. :P) Thanks for posting this, Everton. It is extremely moving and, somehow, this should remind us of why we are all still here, and what we are fighting for. With that said, I have said on Meta (and privately) that it's time for us to move the discussion away from his immediate death, and instead start to focus on what his death ought to mean. I have to agree with Aaron is now a symbol: to me (and perhaps to many of us as well), he's now an ideal worth fighting for. And, indeed, we have to complete the work that he started, if ever we will make his death meaningful. I expressed these sentiments in a Facebook note I wrote yesterday: https://www.facebook.com/notes/josh-lim/a-question-of-reflection-and-legacy-a-non-tribute-to-aaron-swartz/10151315708551878 Regards, Josh On Jan 15, 2013, at 6:29 AM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga ezalvare...@wikimedia.org wrote: It is worth to listen professor Lessig interview on Democracy now http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/14/an_incredible_soul_lawrence_lessig_remembers#.UPRn4_WqvF0.twitter An Incredible Soul -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM Block I1, AB Political Science Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines Trustee (2010-2013), Wikimedia Philippines Member, Ateneo Debate Society Member, The Assembly jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com | +63 (917) 841-5235 Friendster/Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor http://akira123323.livejournal.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harvard urges Elsevier boycott
Don't worry, Richard, this news is now hot, but the situation din't progress that much from what it could be. We have the Busapest Open Access Initiative since 2002 http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/openaccess/read. We can find videos of professor Jean-Claude Guédon, one of the person who wrote this initiative one decade ago, explaining in details the logics behind all this. The publish (on closed journals) or perish still reigns in the academia, so it is very important we explain the importance of knowledge to be free for every single person we meet. Still a lot to do. Tom On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Good lord, so it did. My apologies! It was making the rounds tonight and my excitement got the better of me. This is why I don't work in communications! -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harvard urges Elsevier boycott
There is also Access2Research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Access2Research about free research articles in the Us. On 2013-01-14 21:06, Everton Zanella Alvarenga ezalvare...@wikimedia.org wrote: Don't worry, Richard, this news is now hot, but the situation din't progress that much from what it could be. We have the Busapest Open Access Initiative since 2002 http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/openaccess/read. We can find videos of professor Jean-Claude Guédon, one of the person who wrote this initiative one decade ago, explaining in details the logics behind all this. The publish (on closed journals) or perish still reigns in the academia, so it is very important we explain the importance of knowledge to be free for every single person we meet. Still a lot to do. Tom On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Good lord, so it did. My apologies! It was making the rounds tonight and my excitement got the better of me. This is why I don't work in communications! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
