Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] FOP in Europe: does this include WWII monuments with art?
Hi Jane, I am sorry to hear this has been a concern. My intuition is that this would be far less of a tangible risk to a team project than the fuss about this stuff might lead you to believe, so long as we can demonstrate sensible advice, review and precautions being taken. In the UK, FOP tends to be very liberal, however memorials have special issues to consider if the intention is for a free release on Commons. I would have encouraged some guidelines for photographers/uploaders to be written up, and then continued with the event with these in place, possibly with a means of contributors asking further questions and having their uploads reviewed for compliance via an on-wiki project page. A few nuts and bolts of it based on my experiences on Commons (from a UK perspective, so this will vary somewhat in other parts of Europe) are: 1. Any memorial must be a permanent feature. Any work of art that appears temporary is unlikely to be covered by FOP. 2. Text on a memorial may be under its own copyright even though it is on permanent public display, so the text itself must be demonstrably out of copyright. This is a separate issue from the general FOP provisions. If the text is incidental to the photograph, i.e. not a close up and the text is effectively de minimus, then FOP is likely to be valid. 3. Text which is embossed and made 3D, such as being part of an inscribed plaque, may be considered a 3D work and covered by FOP. 4. Any memorial photographed whilst standing on private land may not be covered by FOP. The US has free speech, but is a long way from a country that accepts FOP, however so long as the photo is taken in the EU and is of a fixed and identified memorial, EU copyright law is the principle one to consider and FOP applies. Thanks, Fae -- fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Question: Plans for the Wikimedia conference in Milan
I'm about to book my travel for Milan, and wondered if there were any views from Council members or other chapter enthusiasts if we might try to arrange meetings outside of the core Friday 19th to Sunday 21st April. If there are no particular plans for meeting during Thursday 18 April, then I'll plan on arriving late that day. Thanks, Fae -- Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) fae...@gmail.com Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] Question: Plans for the Wikimedia conference in Milan
If we arranging something, I'll be happy if we could do it on the day before the conference and not after. (1) from a personal reason, can't stay after (2) because it make sense to hold a meeting and to get into conclusion before we meeting the others and not after On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to book my travel for Milan, and wondered if there were any views from Council members or other chapter enthusiasts if we might try to arrange meetings outside of the core Friday 19th to Sunday 21st April. If there are no particular plans for meeting during Thursday 18 April, then I'll plan on arriving late that day. Thanks, Fae -- Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) fae...@gmail.com Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae ___ Chapters mailing list chapt...@wikimedia.ch https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/chapters ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] FOP in Europe: does this include WWII monuments with art?
Thanks for sharing! If I browse the categories here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Monuments_and_memorials_of_World_War_II_by_country It seems there are plenty of photos with what appears to be sculptures. I guess the risk of being slapped with a copyright violation in these cases is pretty low. After all, if you created the artwork or were an heir of someone who did, it would be pretty tasteless to object, I guess. I think the problem we are facing is that we cannot now sponsor such uploads, as WMNL. So, it's fine if people do this on their own with no encouragement from us, but until this whole issue is resolved we cannot actively solicit such photographs from the volunteer community, knowing there's a chance they can be deleted. I think in the case of a photo contest, any copyvio deletion is one too many. Jane 2013/3/2, Fae faewik+comm...@gmail.com: On 2 March 2013 19:28, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 2 March 2013 12:04, Fae faewik+comm...@gmail.com wrote: 2. Text on a memorial may be under its own copyright even though it is on permanent public display, so the text itself must be demonstrably out of copyright. This is a separate issue from the general FOP provisions. If the text is incidental to the photograph, i.e. not a close up and the text is effectively de minimus, then FOP is likely to be valid. One other thing to remember: most of this text is fairly uncreative - in many cases, standard phrases or dates, and lists of names. We could make a reasonably good case that they are unlikely to be copyrightable texts regardless of age. That's true, and I have uploaded plenty of my own photos of war memorials with close up details of names, rank and so forth. However I have run into problems with memorial statements that contain poetry, simple drawings and original dedications and some of these have been deleted despite me being reasonably cautious. I still think this is solvable with some simple guidelines/principles for those taking part in an event to take care to avoid any later problems with uploads. Cheers, Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [wmau:members] Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia Australia public meeting
How long is this away? Sent from my iPhone On 02/03/2013, at 5:46 PM, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote: Could there be more notice? And an agenda topic or two might attract more members into participating. Items don't have to be billed as occupying the meeting exclusively. T On 03/03/2013, at 1:13 PM, Craig Franklin wrote: Hi all, There will be a public Wikimedia Australia meeting today, 3rd March at 17:00 hours (5:00pm in NSW, VIC, ACT and TAS, 4pm QLD, 4:30pm SA, 3:30pm NT and 2pm WA). It will be held in #wikimedia-au on the Freenode IRC network. There is no set agenda so you are welcome to start a discussion about anything related to Wikimedia Australia. Please see http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/IRC for more details. Regards, Craig Franklin Treasurer ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list wikimediaa...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Tony Souter *Fixed-line phone: +612 42633401 *Mobile: 0450 717627 (+61450 717627), but usually not switched on *Skype: tonysouter *Street address: 1/29 Tarrant Ave, Kiama Downs 2533, Australia ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] FOP in Europe: does this include WWII monuments with art?
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: The problem are not the European laws. It are the US laws that don't recognize the European FOP. That means it would be perfectly legal to host such images on an European server (in a country that recognizes FOP), but not on US servers, because they are subject to US law. I'm sorry, I keep seeing this argument and while I can understand the basic idea every time I see it I feel like little kitten dies. There is no doubt that the US FOP laws are a little insane and that the EU ones are generally much more lenient, however, it is obviously far far more complectated then that. There are plenty of EU laws which would are applicable to site/image hosting which are far more complicated and harder (or impossible) for us to follow. Overall the laws in the US have still tended to be much much better to host, and that doesn't even get into the problem of hosting in multiple locations and still trying to serve to a site hosted (or with staff) in the US. James (Personal opinion, not a lawyer and not said as a staff member) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
