Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[Benjamin Lees]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 1:15 AM, rupert THURNER wrote:

> and at least my wish would be that people who
> donate their time by sending code patches to software considered
> essential to run the site are included.
>

In the 2011 election, anyone active with commit access (that is, the
ability to change code in the software repository) also got a vote.  It
looks like that will be the case for this election, too.

In principle, I would expect more people to be eligible to vote as
developers this time, because the new version control system (Git instead
of Subversion) doesn't have the same barriers to access.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

agreed - I actually don't see a reason why the elections should not be
limited to Wikimedia editors with some edit count. I would assume that if
there are people in other categories currently eligible to vote, who would
lose this privilege if they were required to do some minimal amount of
editing, it is not too much of a burden to ask them to start editing, if
they indeed want to participate in the community also through elections.

best,

dj / pundit


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:15 AM, rupert THURNER wrote:

> also agree to simplify the rules. what i'd really love would be to
> better standardize and with it simplify "volunteer community", for all
> elections and votes. and at least my wish would be that people who
> donate their time by sending code patches to software considered
> essential to run the site are included.
>
> rupert.
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Asaf Bartov 
> wrote:
> > Also agree with Nathan.  Those chapter board members who are not active
> on
> > the projects already have a far greater relative weight in selecting the
> > chapter-selected board seats.
> >
> >A.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
> nemow...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Nathan, 27/04/2013 21:34:
> >>
> >>  I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election
> >>> for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer
> >>> community. Presumably that would include most members of most
> >>> organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid
> >>> workers who also participate as volunteers.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I agree with Nathan, simplifying the rules is useful while complicating
> >> them for a few dozens voters is not.
> >>
> >> Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[rupert THURNER]

also agree to simplify the rules. what i'd really love would be to
better standardize and with it simplify "volunteer community", for all
elections and votes. and at least my wish would be that people who
donate their time by sending code patches to software considered
essential to run the site are included.

rupert.

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
> Also agree with Nathan.  Those chapter board members who are not active on
> the projects already have a far greater relative weight in selecting the
> chapter-selected board seats.
>
>A.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
> wrote:
>
>> Nathan, 27/04/2013 21:34:
>>
>>  I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election
>>> for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer
>>> community. Presumably that would include most members of most
>>> organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid
>>> workers who also participate as volunteers.
>>>
>>
>> I agree with Nathan, simplifying the rules is useful while complicating
>> them for a few dozens voters is not.
>>
>> Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Jan Eissfeldt joins Wikimedia Foundation as Community Advocate

[Philippe Beaudette]

Yep. Meta.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/LCA_Announcement

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Wikimedia Foundation, Inc



On Apr 27, 2013, at 1:12 PM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" 
wrote:

Philippe Beaudette, 25/04/2013 22:39:

The community advocacy team, you may recall, is an attempt to shore up the

Foundation's knowledge of non-English speaking projects [...]


Never heard this claim before, is it documented anywhere?

Nemo
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[Wikimedia-l] Google Summer of Code 2013 - Project Proposal (Centralized Search Engine)

[siddhartha garg]

Hello,
  I have proposed a project to WikiMedia through Google Summer of Code
2013 internship program. The project is based on Central Search Engine
having capability to bind all the WikiMedia services till the date and
showing the results of search term on a common place with best possible
results being searched and sorted.

I have prepared synopsis on what the project is and how it is going to be
dealt. Its a tentative schedule so pardon any amateurish behavior I might
have reflected.

The link for the official proposal is :
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/code_sid/1

The link for my mediawiki user page is :
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Code_sid

The link for bugzilla report is :
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47775#c0


Kindly visit all the stuff and do let me know if there is anything I have
left out in the process.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[Asaf Bartov]

Also agree with Nathan.  Those chapter board members who are not active on
the projects already have a far greater relative weight in selecting the
chapter-selected board seats.

   A.


On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

> Nathan, 27/04/2013 21:34:
>
>  I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election
>> for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer
>> community. Presumably that would include most members of most
>> organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid
>> workers who also participate as volunteers.
>>
>
> I agree with Nathan, simplifying the rules is useful while complicating
> them for a few dozens voters is not.
>
> Nemo
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Thomas Dalton, 10/04/2013 18:05:

According to the UK Charity Commission we are in the case where Ilario " has had no 
significant involvement with the trustees’ decision to create or retain the post, or with 
any material aspect of the recruitment process"


It isn't written very clearly, but from context I am confident that
those bullet points are intended to be an "and" not an "or".
Nevertheless, voting on the plan which included creating these posts
is "significant involvement".


By this logic, we should exclude all members (a rule I voted for in some 
other cases, but not necessarily appropriate here). There are several 
possible issues and countermeasures here but yours doesn't seem the most 
relevant to me.


Resigning before a decision in COI is rarely an effective measure. 
Resigning with smart timing can easily be a more subtle and effective 
way to gain an advantage over someone else.
Or how about a board member directly discussing and approving a 
process/framework for hiring an ED and then applying for said ED position?


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMIL new Executive Director

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Itzik Edri, 09/04/2013 21:58:

Meet Dorit Shafir Dyamant:

Over the last decade she mainly worked at NGO's in a variety of roles: from
marketing  through projects management and producing conferences. She have
MA degree in nonprofit management from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem
and B.A in literature and comparative philosophy from University of Haifa.

As a student at the Hebrew University, she founded and produced for 6 years
the project "Words and poets' - an open evenings meetings for young poets.  
[...]


She also told us more about it at 
http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/wmconf2013-keep-volunteers-active
I'm seeing a good integration of experiences from inside and outside 
Wikimedia going on, very nice.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Train Wikiexpedition in Poland

[rupert THURNER]

hahaha ... sure. about 400'000 of these are sold for 3000 eur every
year, having a population of 8'000'000. and this number includes the
ones used by people not living in switzerland like yours as well ;)

rupert.


On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Manuel Schneider
 wrote:
> Am 26.04.2013 19:05, schrieb Fae:
>> "Polish Railways will provide us free tickets" excellent negotiation!
>>
>> Hey, train enthusiasts everywhere else (including the UK and USA) here
>> is an incredibly tough target for the rest of us to try and beat. :-D
>
> In Switzerland 90% of the population has a General Abonnement anyway, so
> they don't care about tickets at all (for trains, busses, trams,
> funiculars...)
>
> :-P
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Thehelpfulone, 17/04/2013 22:30:

Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page of the WLM-US
mailing list that I tweaked for this mailing list:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/cabal-l


I don't quite get the point of this style, is it about adding the 
Wikimedia vision in top left corner? Sounds unnecessary.

I vote against everything that
1) is not consistent across all lists,
2) adds one "page down" key to get to the options.

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Jan Eissfeldt joins Wikimedia Foundation as Community Advocate

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Philippe Beaudette, 25/04/2013 22:39:

The community advocacy team, you may recall, is an attempt to shore up the
Foundation's knowledge of non-English speaking projects [...]


Never heard this claim before, is it documented anywhere?

Nemo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Nathan, 27/04/2013 21:34:

I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election
for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer
community. Presumably that would include most members of most
organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid
workers who also participate as volunteers.


I agree with Nathan, simplifying the rules is useful while complicating 
them for a few dozens voters is not.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Train Wikiexpedition in Poland

[Manuel Schneider]

Am 26.04.2013 19:05, schrieb Fae:
> "Polish Railways will provide us free tickets" excellent negotiation!
> 
> Hey, train enthusiasts everywhere else (including the UK and USA) here
> is an incredibly tough target for the rest of us to try and beat. :-D

In Switzerland 90% of the population has a General Abonnement anyway, so
they don't care about tickets at all (for trains, busses, trams,
funiculars...)

:-P

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[Nathan]

I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election
for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer
community. Presumably that would include most members of most
organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid
workers who also participate as volunteers.

Most chapter members and representatives participate not only in the
community elections but also in the selection of chapter-nominated
board seats. It doesn't seem like chapters as a group are at all
disenfranchised.

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[Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[Itzik Edri]

As you know, the Wikimedia Foundation elections is approaching. As always,
the voters will be the community, developers, current board member and..
WMF staff and contractors. Nothing changed. same as two years ago.

But I wonder - we had this policy when the chapters and others recognized
Wikimedia organization doesn't been really part of the equation.

Yes, many of the chapters board and staff are community members and have
the right the vote - but this is also the case with many of the WMF
employees, but still we giving some of them the right to vote even if they
hardly ever edit on the projects. But we not giving the same right to our's
board and chapters staff, who are also part of the movement.

I'm raising this issue, and asking if should chapter (and
thematic organization) staff and board members should be granted the right
to vote in the movement elections, in the same way as Foundation staff and
board members have right now? To me it's making sense.

Itzik
WMIL
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours about upcoming account creation and login redesigns

[Steven Walling]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Steven Walling wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> As you might know, the Editor Engagement Experiments team spent several
> weeks in
> 2012-13 testing changes to the account creation page, aiming to make
> it easier for new editors to join our projects.[1]
>
> Soon you'll see wider announcements on-wiki and on the blog about the
> "soft launch" of the interface changes we've built now that testing is
> over. The short version: for roughly a week, we're initially launching
> the changes in MediaWiki core on an opt-in basis, so that editors can
> test the localizations and hunt for bugs on their home wiki without
> potentially disrupting the essential functions of login and account
> creation.
>
> This Saturday the 27th at 18:00 UTC,[2] we'll be hosting IRC office
> hours to talk about these changes with anyone interested. Please join
> us. :-)
>
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>
> 1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Account_creation_user_experience
> 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours
>

As a reminder, this is happening in about 15 minutes.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [org] Reunió comunitària pel xat

[Arnau Duran]

That's true. My apologies :)

anyway since I sent it let me explain, we (Amical) are having a monthly
meeting with Catalan Wikipedia community editors via IRC chat. I think it's
a good practice that you all can put in practice in your respective wikis.

Sorry again!



El 27 d’abril de 2013 17.17, Amir E. Aharoni
ha escrit:

> Em sembla que no ho has enviat a la llista adequada :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [org] Reunió comunitària pel xat

[Amir E. Aharoni]

Em sembla que no ho has enviat a la llista adequada :)

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[Wikimedia-l] [org] Reunió comunitària pel xat

[Arnau Duran]

Hem convocat una nova reunió oberta a tothom via IRC per l'*1 de maig a les
22h*. Hi esteu tots convidats.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

[Jane Darnell]

Just the thought of synchronizing Wikis makes me shudder. I think this
was also the reason that no Wikipedian editors were attracted to the
CoSyne project, though as it was explained to me the idea was that
only sections of a "source" Wikipedia article would be translated that
did not exist yet in the target article. This may be useful in the
case of a large article being the source, and a stub being the target,
but in the case where the source and the target are about equal size,
it could lead to a major mess.

In the example of the Wikipedia article on Haarlem, I noticed many of
the things lacking in the English version are things more relevant to
local people reading the Dutch version, such as local mass transit
information. The other way around, the things in the English version
that are lacking in the Dutch version are items that seem obvious to
locals.

2013/4/27, Ryu Cheol :
> Thanks to Jane for introducing CoSyne. But I feel all the wikis do not want
> to be synchronized to certain wikis. Rather than having identical articles,
> I hope they would have their own articles. I hope I could have two more tabs
> at right of the 'Article' and 'Talk' on English Wikipedia for Korean
> language. The two tabs are 'Article in Korean' and 'Talk in Korean'. The
> translations would have same information in originals and any editing on an
> article or a talk in translation pages would go back to the originals. In
> this case they need to be synchronized precisely.
>
> I mean these are done in the scope of English Wikipedia, not related to
> Korean Wikipedia. But the Korean Wikipedia linked to the left side of a page
> would be benefited from the translations in English Wikipedia eventually
> when an Korean Wikipedia editor find a good part of English Wikipedia
> article could be inserted to Korean Wikipedia.
>
> You can find the merits of the exact Korean translation of English Wikipedia
> or the scheme of the exact translation of big Wikipedias. It will help you
> reach to more potential contributors. It will make the language barrier
> lower for those who want to contribute to a Wikipedia they do not speak very
> well. Also, It could provide the better aligned corpora and it could could
> track how human translators or reviewers improve the translations.
>
> Cheol
>
> On 2013. 4. 26., at 오후 9:04, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>
>> We already have the translation options on the left side of the screen
>> in any Wikipedia article.
>> This choice is generally a smattering of languages, and a long term
>> goal for many small-language Wikipedias is to be able to translate an
>> article from related languages (say from Dutch into Frisian, where the
>> Frisian Wikipedia has no article at all on the title subject) and the
>> even longer-term goal is to translate into some other
>> really-really-really foreign language.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be easier however, to start with a project that uses
>> translatewiki and the related-language pairs? Usually there is a big
>> difference in numbers of articles (like between the Dutch Wikipedia
>> and the Frisian Wikipedia). Presumably the demand is larger on the
>> destination wikipedia (because there are fewer articles in those
>> languages), and the potential number of human translators is larger
>> (because most editors active in the smaller Wikipedia are versed in
>> both langages).
>>
>> The Dutch Wikimedia chapter took part in a European multilingual
>> synchronization tool project called CoSyne:
>> http://cosyne.eu/index.php/Main_Page
>>
>> It was not a success, because it was hard to figure out how this would
>> be beneficial to Wikipedians actually joining the project. Some
>> funding that was granted to the chapter to work on the project will be
>> returned, because it was never spent.
>>
>> In order to tackle this problem on a large scale, it needs to be
>> broken down into words, sentences, paragraphs and perhaps other
>> structures (category trees?). I think CoSyne was trying to do this. I
>> think it would be easier to keep the effort in one-way-traffic, so try
>> to offer machine translation from Dutch to Frisian and not the other
>> way around, and then as you go, define concepts that work both ways,
>> so that eventually it would be possible to translated from Frisian
>> into Dutch.
>>
>> 2013/4/26, Mathieu Stumpf :
>>> Le 2013-04-25 20:56, Theo10011 a écrit :
 As far as Linguistic typology goes, it's far too unique and too
 varied to
 have a language independent form develop as easily. Perhaps it also
 depends
 on the perspective. For example, the majority of people commenting
 here
 (Americans, Europeans) might have exposure to a limited set of a
 linguistic
 branch. Machine-translations as someone pointed out, are still not
 preferred in some languages, even with years of research and
 potentially
 unlimited resources at Google's disposal, they still come out
 sounding
 clunky in some ways. And perhaps they will never

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Train Wikiexpedition in Poland

[Ilario Valdelli]

I thinkk that it's a reallay good idea.

Personally I invited Polish people to share their experience of
wikiexpeditions and I think that this opportunity may be a real way to
spread it.

regards


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are about to organize a wikiexpedition devoted to train
> infrastructure in Poland. It will be officially co-organised with
> Polish Railways. Polish Railways will provide us free tickets for
> traveling across Poland using any trains and special passes to legally
> enter and photograph rail tracks, workshops, rail yards, cargo railway
> stations, museums belonging to Polish Railways  etc.  In order to get
> the pass it will be obligatory to undergo a special basic one-day
> railtrack safety training which will be provided for  free by Polish
> Railways employees. Actually we don't know what time it will happen -
> for sure during summer, but it is actually to negotiate. It is
> possible to have several 2-4 people teams. The requirements will be
> just:
> *being devoted wiki-photographer ready to submit photos to Wikimedia
> Commons under free licences
> *being highly crazy about railways stuff - i.e. be ready to travel
> across Poland using mainly slow, local trains which stops on every
> tiny station, sleep in low cost hostels, feed yourself for 32 PLN a
> day  :-)
> *You don't need to speak Polish - we can try to organize a mixed teams
> fro both training and expeditions.
>
> If there is anyone ready for such a wiki-safari - just drop me an E-mail...
>
>
>
> --
> Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz
> http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek
> http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/
> http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz
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