Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is anyone motivated to lead a study/projet to integrate a Tatoeba-like project within Mediawiki
I noticed that on Commons, there is a need for sentence fragments, such as Portrait of a woman facing left at three-quarter length Though whole sentences is a major step towards machine translation, sentence fragments might be more practical for multi-lingual project endeavors such as Wikidata and Wiki Commons 2013/5/18, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org: Hello, While contributing to wiktionary, I discovered Tatoeba, a website where you can find translated sentences, and share your knoledge with new translation. The project database is free (CC-by if I well remember), and the team behind it seems very responsive: think that they made this post[1] just because I am incorrigible curious person. Now as our moto is the sum of all knowledge… I was curious to know your opinion on integrating such a project within Wikimedia. As I already don't have time to make all the contributions that I would like to bring to the community, I won't be able to bring energy on such a project. So I just share the idea, just in case, to my mind it's always better than drop it nowhere. Kind regards, mathieu [1] http://blog.tatoeba.org/2013/05/the-story-of-tatoeba.html ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hiring Community Liaisons (Contract)
Howie The person doing the email screener was meant to be me. When did this change? On 18 May 2013 06:58, Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote: * Hey all, For the last 18 months, the Engineering Product Development department has been experimenting with the role of “Community Liaison, Product Development” - a staff member embedded in the Product team and tasked with factoring community concerns into our software development process, keeping editors informed about what we’re doing, and maintaining a dialogue between those who write code and those who write articles. While there is always room for improvement, I think this role has shown a lot of promise. We have a number of large projects coming down the pipeline (e.g., visual editor, discussion systems) and we need more help reaching out to our contributor communities, especially our non-English speaking projects, as our outreach there has traditionally been challenged. We’d like to recruit a small number of English-speaking or multilingual editors to do the Community Liaison job with different development teams and focuses. In particular we’re looking for people with a strong history of contributions to our projects who can provide sound and reasoned judgment and are trusted to do so by their community. Speaking other languages in addition to English is a major plus, as one of the objectives here is to ensure we can properly interact with and support non-English projects. I’ve included the full job description below. Our immediate need is for help with the Visual Editor. We’d like to hire a few community liaisons to help inform different Wikipedia language communities of the upcoming launch, create spaces for feedback and discussion, synthesize feedback for the Visual Editor team, and other activities required to support the Visual Editor launch later this year. If this is a role that would interest you, please e-mail Philippe Beaudette at pbeaude...@wikimedia.org https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cmfs=1tf=1to=pbeaude...@wikimedia.org . And if you know someone else who might fit the role, let them know about it :-). We’re provisionally interested in hiring 2-3 liaisons, at an hourly rate commensurate with experience. This can be a part-time role, but we’ll need at least 15 hours/week for the length of the engagement (minimum 3 months). Please do apply if you think it’s a role that suits you, and if you find places we haven’t notified, spread the word! Thanks. Howie * _ Howie Fung Director of Product Development Wikimedia Foundation * Community Liaison Job Description Background Information and Statement of Purpose The Wikimedia Foundation’s Engineering Product Development Department is looking at ways to more effectively incorporate broad community perspectives in decisions and hold dialogues with our editors about the scope, pace and features of upcoming changes to Wikimedia projects. As part of this, it is hiring additional Community Liaisons from our volunteer community. Scope of Work Support and improve our ongoing software development projects, in particular: - Building up a network of volunteers from both English language and non-English language wikis, increasing the number of projects we can interact with; - Engaging the community in the software development process, by acting as a conduit for community questions, bugs and and feature requests, talking to editors about our work and how they can participate in it effectively, and recruiting them for workgroups and studies; - Being available from time to time to provide expertise and knowledge about our projects, including but not limited to training externally-sourced staff in the way our projects work, answering their questions, and providing expert advice on an ad-hoc basis; - Ensuring that our community is represented in the decision-making process and that our planned software adequately reflects user needs; - Monitoring Wikimedia projects, with the assistance of a network of volunteers, for emerging issues that have an impact on Engineering programmes; and - Other duties as needed. Requirements Effective Community Liaisons will be: - Experienced users of Wikimedia projects, capable of representing our community within the Foundation and vice-versa. - Strong communicators (both verbally and with the written word), able to explain our products to different groups of users with different levels of technical understanding. - Able to focus on the larger picture, understanding which concerns and views are widespread and which are marginal or individual. - Approachable, as both users and product developers must be able to trust these people for the relationship to function. - Self-motivated - they will be given important
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hiring Community Liaisons (Contract)
Whoops; sorry, all! Evidently it was a mistake to go near my laptop before my morning coffee :). Please ignore me; I'll be dunking my head in a barrel of water to wake up. On 18 May 2013 15:48, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Howie The person doing the email screener was meant to be me. When did this change? On 18 May 2013 06:58, Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote: * Hey all, For the last 18 months, the Engineering Product Development department has been experimenting with the role of “Community Liaison, Product Development” - a staff member embedded in the Product team and tasked with factoring community concerns into our software development process, keeping editors informed about what we’re doing, and maintaining a dialogue between those who write code and those who write articles. While there is always room for improvement, I think this role has shown a lot of promise. We have a number of large projects coming down the pipeline (e.g., visual editor, discussion systems) and we need more help reaching out to our contributor communities, especially our non-English speaking projects, as our outreach there has traditionally been challenged. We’d like to recruit a small number of English-speaking or multilingual editors to do the Community Liaison job with different development teams and focuses. In particular we’re looking for people with a strong history of contributions to our projects who can provide sound and reasoned judgment and are trusted to do so by their community. Speaking other languages in addition to English is a major plus, as one of the objectives here is to ensure we can properly interact with and support non-English projects. I’ve included the full job description below. Our immediate need is for help with the Visual Editor. We’d like to hire a few community liaisons to help inform different Wikipedia language communities of the upcoming launch, create spaces for feedback and discussion, synthesize feedback for the Visual Editor team, and other activities required to support the Visual Editor launch later this year. If this is a role that would interest you, please e-mail Philippe Beaudette at pbeaude...@wikimedia.org https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cmfs=1tf=1to=pbeaude...@wikimedia.org . And if you know someone else who might fit the role, let them know about it :-). We’re provisionally interested in hiring 2-3 liaisons, at an hourly rate commensurate with experience. This can be a part-time role, but we’ll need at least 15 hours/week for the length of the engagement (minimum 3 months). Please do apply if you think it’s a role that suits you, and if you find places we haven’t notified, spread the word! Thanks. Howie * _ Howie Fung Director of Product Development Wikimedia Foundation * Community Liaison Job Description Background Information and Statement of Purpose The Wikimedia Foundation’s Engineering Product Development Department is looking at ways to more effectively incorporate broad community perspectives in decisions and hold dialogues with our editors about the scope, pace and features of upcoming changes to Wikimedia projects. As part of this, it is hiring additional Community Liaisons from our volunteer community. Scope of Work Support and improve our ongoing software development projects, in particular: - Building up a network of volunteers from both English language and non-English language wikis, increasing the number of projects we can interact with; - Engaging the community in the software development process, by acting as a conduit for community questions, bugs and and feature requests, talking to editors about our work and how they can participate in it effectively, and recruiting them for workgroups and studies; - Being available from time to time to provide expertise and knowledge about our projects, including but not limited to training externally-sourced staff in the way our projects work, answering their questions, and providing expert advice on an ad-hoc basis; - Ensuring that our community is represented in the decision-making process and that our planned software adequately reflects user needs; - Monitoring Wikimedia projects, with the assistance of a network of volunteers, for emerging issues that have an impact on Engineering programmes; and - Other duties as needed. Requirements Effective Community Liaisons will be: - Experienced users of Wikimedia projects, capable of representing our community within the Foundation and vice-versa. - Strong communicators (both verbally and with the written word), able to explain our products to different groups of users with different levels of technical understanding. - Able to focus on the larger picture, understanding which concerns and
[Wikimedia-l] Some interesting thing about our friend User:Shujenchang
Hi Everyone There may be no reason for me to post a Blocking Notification to the mail list, but this thing will absolutely let you feel shocked which I think it's necessary to reveal what kind of people working with us, and even making important decision. User:Shujenchang, as know as User:ZH979433, who announced to quit the Chinese Wikipedia after local CheckUsers were elected. But coincidentally, the person who was strongly against the the ZHWP has local CheckUser, was checked and blocked for his disgusting and abominable behavior. User:Shujenchang stole his ex-boyfriend's Wikipedia account and vandalize Wikipedia because of the broken relationship. By considering his announcement that forever quit ZHWP, User:BenMQ only blocked him in one month to warning. People will lose control in sometimes, it might be too unfriendly if presuming his moral quality only by this. When we thought User: Shujenchang will leave ZHWP and things turn to good, another crazy thing happened. User:Shujenchang post personal attacks on his ex-boyfriend by using the account of User:Ltdccba when Ltdccba went to the restroom and left his laptop. By using others' trust, User:Shujenchang framed the person who took him as friend. Was checked twice, I finally understand why User:Shujenchang tried to stop the election of local CheckUser. His account was blocked right now by User:BenMQ. But this friend still try to do something on Wikimedia. Please be aware of this thing, who knows who is next EX or next Ltdccba. The first Blocking Notification: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shujenchang#Blocking_Notification_on_ZHWP Meta User Page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Shujenchang Voting Members of the Wikimania 2014 Jury: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_jury Blocking information on zhwp: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7/ZH979433 User:Ltdccba's explanation: https://zh.wikipedia.org/?oldid=26580664#.E8.AF.B7.E4.B8.8D.E8.A6.81.E4.BB.BF.E7.85.A7IP.E7.94.A8.E6.88.B7.E7.AD.BE.E5.90.8D Sorry if disturbing! Best Wishes! Addis Wang ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some interesting thing about our friend User:Shujenchang
Hi Addis, I'm not sure what you try to do with this e-mail, because this behavior seems to be zh wiki only and not a foundation wide problem. This seems to be like trowing dirt. Secondly you say that the user stole the computer from a user and then used a closed browser to vandalize Wikipedia. This is because the user says his computer was stolen. But there is no way in earth to proof that this was the case. (NO checkuser will be able to confirm that the user you are blaming used somebody elses his computer to edit as a IP number). As last you say that he / she stole the account of the ex boyfriend and used it to vandalize Wikipedia. Why do you think it was her? Its good possible that the ex used his account in her house or WiFi or a place where they both come oftenly and then vandalize Wikipedia. Did a CU confirmed that it was her computer? The fact that the blocking user is also a CU it would be very easy to frame somebody like this. And you don't really give any proof. So please be careful before you destroy people's names. On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, AddisWang addiswan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone There may be no reason for me to post a Blocking Notification to the mail list, but this thing will absolutely let you feel shocked which I think it's necessary to reveal what kind of people working with us, and even making important decision. User:Shujenchang, as know as User:ZH979433, who announced to quit the Chinese Wikipedia after local CheckUsers were elected. But coincidentally, the person who was strongly against the the ZHWP has local CheckUser, was checked and blocked for his disgusting and abominable behavior. User:Shujenchang stole his ex-boyfriend's Wikipedia account and vandalize Wikipedia because of the broken relationship. By considering his announcement that forever quit ZHWP, User:BenMQ only blocked him in one month to warning. People will lose control in sometimes, it might be too unfriendly if presuming his moral quality only by this. When we thought User: Shujenchang will leave ZHWP and things turn to good, another crazy thing happened. User:Shujenchang post personal attacks on his ex-boyfriend by using the account of User:Ltdccba when Ltdccba went to the restroom and left his laptop. By using others' trust, User:Shujenchang framed the person who took him as friend. Was checked twice, I finally understand why User:Shujenchang tried to stop the election of local CheckUser. His account was blocked right now by User:BenMQ. But this friend still try to do something on Wikimedia. Please be aware of this thing, who knows who is next EX or next Ltdccba. The first Blocking Notification: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shujenchang#Blocking_Notification_on_ZHWP Meta User Page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Shujenchang Voting Members of the Wikimania 2014 Jury: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_jury Blocking information on zhwp: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7/ZH979433 User:Ltdccba's explanation: https://zh.wikipedia.org/?oldid=26580664#.E8.AF.B7.E4.B8.8D.E8.A6.81.E4.BB.BF.E7.85.A7IP.E7.94.A8.E6.88.B7.E7.AD.BE.E5.90.8D Sorry if disturbing! Best Wishes! Addis Wang ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some interesting thing about our friend User:Shujenchang
Addis: 从我来看，事情大概已经解决了，没必要小题大做。家丑不出外扬。在一个这么公开的环境里面谈论中文维基百科的小事，实在不适合。 翘仔 On 18 May 2013 19:30, AddisWang addiswan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone There may be no reason for me to post a Blocking Notification to the mail list, but this thing will absolutely let you feel shocked which I think it's necessary to reveal what kind of people working with us, and even making important decision. User:Shujenchang, as know as User:ZH979433, who announced to quit the Chinese Wikipedia after local CheckUsers were elected. But coincidentally, the person who was strongly against the the ZHWP has local CheckUser, was checked and blocked for his disgusting and abominable behavior. User:Shujenchang stole his ex-boyfriend's Wikipedia account and vandalize Wikipedia because of the broken relationship. By considering his announcement that forever quit ZHWP, User:BenMQ only blocked him in one month to warning. People will lose control in sometimes, it might be too unfriendly if presuming his moral quality only by this. When we thought User: Shujenchang will leave ZHWP and things turn to good, another crazy thing happened. User:Shujenchang post personal attacks on his ex-boyfriend by using the account of User:Ltdccba when Ltdccba went to the restroom and left his laptop. By using others' trust, User:Shujenchang framed the person who took him as friend. Was checked twice, I finally understand why User:Shujenchang tried to stop the election of local CheckUser. His account was blocked right now by User:BenMQ. But this friend still try to do something on Wikimedia. Please be aware of this thing, who knows who is next EX or next Ltdccba. The first Blocking Notification: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shujenchang#Blocking_Notification_on_ZHWP Meta User Page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Shujenchang Voting Members of the Wikimania 2014 Jury: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_jury Blocking information on zhwp: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7/ZH979433 User:Ltdccba's explanation: https://zh.wikipedia.org/?oldid=26580664#.E8.AF.B7.E4.B8.8D.E8.A6.81.E4.BB.BF.E7.85.A7IP.E7.94.A8.E6.88.B7.E7.AD.BE.E5.90.8D Sorry if disturbing! Best Wishes! Addis Wang ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some interesting thing about our friend User:Shujenchang
Hi Huib Thanks for your remind at first! I understand, but that's not how things should be concluded. This guy from zh wiki, this thing happened in zh wiki, so it's your zh wiki stuff. I'm not talking about the problem of a project or some projects or foundation wide problem. I'm taking about a person. It seems I never using the word stole in computer things. It's might be my limited writing skills let you misunderstand, but please be careful. And he posted personal attacks not the vandalism. And I believe User:Shujenchang is a male. Stealing the account? He admitted. Addis 在 2013-5-19，上午2:56，Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com 写道： Hi Addis, I'm not sure what you try to do with this e-mail, because this behavior seems to be zh wiki only and not a foundation wide problem. This seems to be like trowing dirt. Secondly you say that the user stole the computer from a user and then used a closed browser to vandalize Wikipedia. This is because the user says his computer was stolen. But there is no way in earth to proof that this was the case. (NO checkuser will be able to confirm that the user you are blaming used somebody elses his computer to edit as a IP number). As last you say that he / she stole the account of the ex boyfriend and used it to vandalize Wikipedia. Why do you think it was her? Its good possible that the ex used his account in her house or WiFi or a place where they both come oftenly and then vandalize Wikipedia. Did a CU confirmed that it was her computer? The fact that the blocking user is also a CU it would be very easy to frame somebody like this. And you don't really give any proof. So please be careful before you destroy people's names. On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, AddisWang addiswan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone There may be no reason for me to post a Blocking Notification to the mail list, but this thing will absolutely let you feel shocked which I think it's necessary to reveal what kind of people working with us, and even making important decision. User:Shujenchang, as know as User:ZH979433, who announced to quit the Chinese Wikipedia after local CheckUsers were elected. But coincidentally, the person who was strongly against the the ZHWP has local CheckUser, was checked and blocked for his disgusting and abominable behavior. User:Shujenchang stole his ex-boyfriend's Wikipedia account and vandalize Wikipedia because of the broken relationship. By considering his announcement that forever quit ZHWP, User:BenMQ only blocked him in one month to warning. People will lose control in sometimes, it might be too unfriendly if presuming his moral quality only by this. When we thought User: Shujenchang will leave ZHWP and things turn to good, another crazy thing happened. User:Shujenchang post personal attacks on his ex-boyfriend by using the account of User:Ltdccba when Ltdccba went to the restroom and left his laptop. By using others' trust, User:Shujenchang framed the person who took him as friend. Was checked twice, I finally understand why User:Shujenchang tried to stop the election of local CheckUser. His account was blocked right now by User:BenMQ. But this friend still try to do something on Wikimedia. Please be aware of this thing, who knows who is next EX or next Ltdccba. The first Blocking Notification: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shujenchang#Blocking_Notification_on_ZHWP Meta User Page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Shujenchang Voting Members of the Wikimania 2014 Jury: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_jury Blocking information on zhwp: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7/ZH979433 User:Ltdccba's explanation: https://zh.wikipedia.org/?oldid=26580664#.E8.AF.B7.E4.B8.8D.E8.A6.81.E4.BB.BF.E7.85.A7IP.E7.94.A8.E6.88.B7.E7.AD.BE.E5.90.8D Sorry if disturbing! Best Wishes! Addis Wang ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some interesting thing about our friend User:Shujenchang
Deryck 仅觉事虽源于中文维基，但实为其个人问题，而此人长期活跃在其他项目，恐不利。在下只顾借此提醒他人，未顾及中文维基之影响，做法的确欠妥。感谢提醒，之后会慎重。 Addis 在 2013-5-19，上午3:16，Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk 写道： Addis: 从我来看，事情大概已经解决了，没必要小题大做。家丑不出外扬。在一个这么公开的环境里面谈论中文维基百科的小事，实在不适合。 翘仔 On 18 May 2013 19:30, AddisWang addiswan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone There may be no reason for me to post a Blocking Notification to the mail list, but this thing will absolutely let you feel shocked which I think it's necessary to reveal what kind of people working with us, and even making important decision. User:Shujenchang, as know as User:ZH979433, who announced to quit the Chinese Wikipedia after local CheckUsers were elected. But coincidentally, the person who was strongly against the the ZHWP has local CheckUser, was checked and blocked for his disgusting and abominable behavior. User:Shujenchang stole his ex-boyfriend's Wikipedia account and vandalize Wikipedia because of the broken relationship. By considering his announcement that forever quit ZHWP, User:BenMQ only blocked him in one month to warning. People will lose control in sometimes, it might be too unfriendly if presuming his moral quality only by this. When we thought User: Shujenchang will leave ZHWP and things turn to good, another crazy thing happened. User:Shujenchang post personal attacks on his ex-boyfriend by using the account of User:Ltdccba when Ltdccba went to the restroom and left his laptop. By using others' trust, User:Shujenchang framed the person who took him as friend. Was checked twice, I finally understand why User:Shujenchang tried to stop the election of local CheckUser. His account was blocked right now by User:BenMQ. But this friend still try to do something on Wikimedia. Please be aware of this thing, who knows who is next EX or next Ltdccba. The first Blocking Notification: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shujenchang#Blocking_Notification_on_ZHWP Meta User Page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Shujenchang Voting Members of the Wikimania 2014 Jury: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_jury Blocking information on zhwp: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7/ZH979433 User:Ltdccba's explanation: https://zh.wikipedia.org/?oldid=26580664#.E8.AF.B7.E4.B8.8D.E8.A6.81.E4.BB.BF.E7.85.A7IP.E7.94.A8.E6.88.B7.E7.AD.BE.E5.90.8D Sorry if disturbing! Best Wishes! Addis Wang ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] New Directory of Wikimedia Hong Kong
Dear all, On last Friday, Hong Kong seventy-seventh Wikimedia meetup, the 3rd Directory of Wikimedia Hong Kong was officially assembled and swore in. List of the new board as follows: Rover WONG President Ivy WONG Deputy President Vincent TSUI Secretary Tango CHAN Treasurer Alexander CHEUNG Director Raymond HUI Director The Directors are expected to serve a two-year term until 2015. -- Simon Shek 3rd Directory Electoral Affairs Committee, Wikimedia Hong Kong Wikimania 2013 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
