Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
I can agree with the rest but this is interesting: Steve Zhang, 26/05/2013 08:42: [...] Now, the removal of adminship of volunteer editors on the WMF wiki (among other changes) happened for a reason, [...] really? What reason? I've not yet heard an explanation other than it's our wiki and we do whatever we wish: I'll prove you in a second!. I also agree that judging the decision is useless (it's not going to be reverted) and that it's not our job (the WMF board should do that, I guess), but if you know the reason then please share it because we're all clueless about it. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
On 26 May 2013 16:53, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: I can agree with the rest but this is interesting: Steve Zhang, 26/05/2013 08:42: [...] Now, the removal of adminship of volunteer editors on the WMF wiki (among other changes) happened for a reason, [...] really? What reason? I've not yet heard an explanation other than it's our wiki and we do whatever we wish: I'll prove you in a second!. I also agree that judging the decision is useless (it's not going to be reverted) and that it's not our job (the WMF board should do that, I guess), but if you know the reason then please share it because we're all clueless about it. Nemo Gayle explained her reasons in the email she sent to this list around 3 days ago, like everyone else this is all the information I have. Whether or not we agree with her reasons is a moot point, as she has noted that her decision will stand. I don't think this was ever done to make community members unhappy, and while that turned out to be one of the results, I think we should let it go. Like many things on Wikimedia, this is a discussion that has run its natural should be laid to rest, and we should move on to more productive things. Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Steve Zhang, 26/05/2013 09:08: Gayle explained her reasons in the email she sent to this list around 3 days ago, [...] Ah. I didn't notice, can you please quote the relevant passage[s]? Maybe I missed some, it was a very long message and its purpose didn't seem to explain reasons for the action. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
I believe the relevant passage of text is this one: Wikimedia Foundation wiki has always been uniquely governed among the family of Wikimedia wikis, with decision-making authority historically placed with the WMF itself due to its purpose (hosting of official documents like bylaws, IRS tax returns, Board resolutions, staff listings, official WMF communications of various kinds, etc.). While the Board was described as the decision-making authority for content disputes before the organization had paid staff, in day-to-day practice, staff members are now helping to maintain and post many of those documents. Consistent with this, my goal was to ensure that the function of a wiki adminstrator, which is often identified with community self-governance, is clearly mapped against the governance model of the site: the organization, with that function delegated to staff members in day-to-day practice, is directly responsible for making and arbitrating decisions on the Wikimedia Foundation’s website. This does not preclude volunteers from being granted administrative-level access where a project requires it and where we have a good working relationship that makes this possible. However, I wanted to create clarity as early and possible, and therefore requested that administrator accounts initially be limited to staff. Steve Zhang Sent from my iPad On 26/05/2013, at 6:04 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Zhang, 26/05/2013 09:08: Gayle explained her reasons in the email she sent to this list around 3 days ago, [...] Ah. I didn't notice, can you please quote the relevant passage[s]? Maybe I missed some, it was a very long message and its purpose didn't seem to explain reasons for the action. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Deryck Chan, 26/05/2013 11:27: In contrast to my post in the original thread (that I'm sceptical about how long WMF wiki will survive without volunteer admins), I do think the WMF is allowed their own piece of turf. In general, when there's an owner of a WMF-hosted wiki, we generally allow the owner group to have totalitarian control over who gets adminship of the wiki. (eg. chapter wikis, Wikimania wikis - I'm grateful that thehelpfulone respected the WM2013's local team's request to not grant adminship to anyone without the team's explicit approval.) Sure. Except that in those cases it's clear who's in charge, for instance the wikimania team. Who's in charge of the wiki here? How many other times does this need to be asked? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Again, this is going to be a general e–mail, so I'm not going to quote anyone in particular, and will just refer to some parts of the e–mails sent before this one. First of all, I think some of you guys should really stop freaking out about the alleged level of attacks in this thread (and the previous one). I haven't seen anyone say anything really outrageous here, and the mere expression of an opinion that someone should be fired is /not/ a personal attack. Requiring that people better be nice than honest will not help solve anything, in the same way that sending small novels without really answering any questions does not help anything. The fact is that none of the questions asked have been answered yet, almost three weeks since the situation happened. The thread has not died—people are just waiting for some true answers, other than it's our wiki and it's always been uniquely governed. I'm not sure whether this is related to Gayle's joining the WMF just 16 months ago, but the uniqueness of the WMF wiki was never like she (and apparently Sue, if I recall correctly) described it. The decision-making authority has never been placed with the WMF—rather, the wiki was an example of a pretty good symbiosis between the WMF staff, who have been posting official documents, press releases, keeping the staff list up-to-date, and maintaining their user pages, and between the volunteers, who have been doing all sorts of things—from fixing typos, importing translations, to creating new accounts and deleting redundant templates. This worked quite well, with some minor to moderate glitches, until May (April?) this year, when someone thought it was such a good idea to just go ahead and remove adminship from all those volunteers. (Yes, I'm no longer AGF-ing here.) You cannot expect people to stop bringing this topic up until they get — in their feeling — satisfactory answers, and it is my impression that at least some people don't feel that way. -- Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia first million
To celebrate this milestone, Iberocoop chapters have made this video that we share with you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLw_Z8w604 Enjoy it! Regards! 2013/5/17 ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com Felicitaciones a la española Wikipedia! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fogos_artificiais.jpg Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Salvador Alcántar* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia first million
Also, it's in Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Un_mill%C3%B3n_de_gracias,_de_Wikipedia_en_espa%C3%B1ol.webm 2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com To celebrate this milestone, Iberocoop chapters have made this video that we share with you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLw_Z8w604 Enjoy it! Regards! 2013/5/17 ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com Felicitaciones a la española Wikipedia! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fogos_artificiais.jpg Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Salvador Alcántar* -- *Salvador Alcántar* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Language Engineering] Bug triage on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT
What: Internationalization bug triage Date: May 29, 2013 Time: 1700-1800 UTC, 1000-1100 PDT (Timezone conversion: http://hexm.de/r0) Channel: #mediawiki-i18n (Freenode) Etherpad: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-i18n-2013-05 Questions can be sent to: runa at wikimedia dot org Hello, The Language Engineering team would like to invite everyone for the upcoming bug triage session on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 1700 UTC (1000 PDT). During this 1 hour session we will be using the etherpad listed above to collaborate. We have already listed some bugs, but please feel free to add more bugs, comments and any other related issues that you’d like to see addressed during the session. You can send questions directly to me on email or IRC (nick: arrbee). Please see above for event details. Thank you. regards Runa -- Language Engineering - Outreach and QA Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
