Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?
The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of is surely what Platonides and other members of the global (technical) community did on pt.wiki. Platonides noticed a configuration error on pt.wiki: CAPTCHA was required for all edits since 2008. The error was fixed in April. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41745 Fresh stats produced by the WMF show that in May and June this produced a decrease of overall vandalism (or rather, of reverted edits) with a shocking +58 % increase of productive edits by IPs and +23 % for registered users. It seems pt.wiki may see the end of the decline after many years. :) https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio(a):HAndrade_(WMF)/Pesquisa_Vandalismo/Segunda_Faseoldid=36301585 Discussion is ongoing on how pt.wiki will address this growth. Part of the community may think that nao estamos preparados para crescer. https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Projetos/Wikip%C3%A9dia/Reuni%C3%B5es/Reuni%C3%A3o_IRC_21-06-2013 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)
I am an audience! Thanks and it really makes some broader points. We often start from finding people who have a passion about a subject but don;t edit yet. That at least solves the 'blank sheet of paper' fear. Liked the discussion though. On 4 July 2013 08:34, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. The problem of the blog post is IMHO that it's unclear what audience it's directed to. The learnings and suggestions *might* be useful for some en.wiki WikiProjects, but en.wiki is obviously the least suitable wiki for such experiments. There are no learnings for other projects and I see no answer e.g. to questions I had for a similar fr.wiki banner a few weeks later. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Meta%** 3ARequests_for_help_from_a_**sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=** 5337142oldid=5337118https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta%3ARequests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=5337142oldid=5337118 It will be for next time then. :) Nemo P.s.: It's not particularly surprising, I see that I had already predicted this failure. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Talk:** CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=**5337147#Philippines_** recruitment_for_two_weekshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=5337147#Philippines_recruitment_for_two_weeks __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.orgwikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=**unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [VereinAT-l] On now: European Dialog on Internet Governance
Manuel Schneider, 22/06/2013 10:46: Are there any chapters which are ISOC members? I only heard once about WMIL cooperating with ISOC IL so far. Frieda gave a talk at the Italian IGF in 2009, then I think they lost momentum (or we did?). http://www.igf-italia.it/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=106Itemid=76 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Hungary's strategic planning
Awesome will be when you and everyone interested to give their 2 cents begins to participate in the discussions :) Balázs 2013/7/3 Sydney sydney.po...@gmail.com Awesome approach! Thanks for bringing attention to your community's discussion. I'm eager to see the ideas you all collect. Sydney Poore User:FloNight Sent from my iPhone ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?
Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? 2013/7/5 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of is surely what Platonides and other members of the global (technical) community did on pt.wiki. Platonides noticed a configuration error on pt.wiki: CAPTCHA was required for all edits since 2008. The error was fixed in April. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/41745https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41745 Fresh stats produced by the WMF show that in May and June this produced a decrease of overall vandalism (or rather, of reverted edits) with a shocking +58 % increase of productive edits by IPs and +23 % for registered users. It seems pt.wiki may see the end of the decline after many years. :) https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio(** a):HAndrade_(WMF)/Pesquisa_**Vandalismo/Segunda_Faseoldid=**36301585https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio(a):HAndrade_(WMF)/Pesquisa_Vandalismo/Segunda_Faseoldid=36301585 Discussion is ongoing on how pt.wiki will address this growth. Part of the community may think that nao estamos preparados para crescer. https://pt.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Projetos/** Wikip%C3%A9dia/Reuni%C3%B5es/**Reuni%C3%A3o_IRC_21-06-2013https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Projetos/Wikip%C3%A9dia/Reuni%C3%B5es/Reuni%C3%A3o_IRC_21-06-2013 Nemo __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.orgwikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=**unsubscribe -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? Maybe a CAPTCHA is effective at demotivating bona fide editors and motivates vandal, which vandalize as a revenge for the CAPTCHA? That would be interesting :) Marco ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?
Denny Vrandečić, 05/07/2013 17:42: Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? No, sorry if I was misleading: decrease in relative numbers only. :) The tables are fairly readable even if you don't know Portuguese, I try not to be too verbose sometimes. :P Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?
On 07/05/2013 01:07 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: No, sorry if I was misleading: decrease in relative numbers only. That's not surprising; someone with malice aforethought isn't going to be stopped by a captcha, someone who just though Hey, I'll correct that typo is likely to not want to bother. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)
Hi, Nemo. Certainly, this was an ENWP experiment, and it's not unreasonable that there would be no learnings for other projects. The post's audience was absolutely anyone in the movement who may care; after all, anyone can replicate this experiment or something like it, in other countries, other languages, etc. We used community tools and no magic. I'm not sure what question you consider unanswered on that link. A. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. The problem of the blog post is IMHO that it's unclear what audience it's directed to. The learnings and suggestions *might* be useful for some en.wiki WikiProjects, but en.wiki is obviously the least suitable wiki for such experiments. There are no learnings for other projects and I see no answer e.g. to questions I had for a similar fr.wiki banner a few weeks later. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Meta%** 3ARequests_for_help_from_a_**sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=** 5337142oldid=5337118https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta%3ARequests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=5337142oldid=5337118 It will be for next time then. :) Nemo P.s.: It's not particularly surprising, I see that I had already predicted this failure. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Talk:** CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=**5337147#Philippines_** recruitment_for_two_weekshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=5337147#Philippines_recruitment_for_two_weeks -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? I think the explanation is pretty clear from the numbers Nemo shared. This CAPTCHA was annoying as hell, and was directed not just at people adding links or hitting some kind of AbuseFilter, but everyone who was editing anonymously or with a new account. It was literally throwing the baby out with the bath water. As someone who had to experience that CAPTCHA as a new user on ptwiki last year, I am not surprised at all that we attracted many more positive contributions just by removing it. Sadly, from looking at bug 49860 and gerrit change 69982, it seems that this deeply annoying feature is going to be put back in place. -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
