Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvare...@okfn.org wrote: Speaking of template madness, the current horrible brokenness that are templates seem to be on the long term roadmap to be fixed. Fixing them requires breaking a whole lot, far more than a visual editor preference. Is two way community dialog on how to handle that on the roadmap? It might still be years and years away, but boy will it hurt, and we better brace ourselves. It seems more possible to have a wiki software developed from scratch than this to happen. If sometimes a small technological fart causes a pandemonium, what can we say about a real technological progress? I believe in the resilience of our community and our projects. Big changes are messy, but we've still gone through them. In the last few months, we have partially or completely rolled out: - a new editor ;-) - mobile editing - a new login/account creation experience - a new central login system - a new language selection experience - input methods for 150 languages - automatic font delivery - a new translation user experience - edit suggestions for new users - mobile web uploads - mobile app uploads for iOS/Android - notifications, including user mentions thanks - Lua support for templates - Wikidata support for templates and countless Wikidata improvements (development by WMDE) - etc. etc. Of course, all these changes are all still imperfect and all still in motion, in many cases including wider rollout. We have a lot of work to do to ensure we don't add too much technical debt in the process of making these changes, fix bugs, user experience and logic errors, add missing functionality, and reduce performance penalties wherever possible. But 2-3 years ago the reputation of Wikipedia was that its platform was stagnant. That time has come to an end. We're now in the period of the most dramatic technological change in the history of our projects. It will take us a while to absorb the full scope and impact of these changes, but in partnership, we can get there. On our end, we've not built a team of community liaisons just so we can respond on feedback pages when things break. As VisualEditor becomes more stable and performant, my hope is that we can engage more and more on the new opportunities, and on difficult questions. Opportunities such as ensuring consistent templatedata coverage for all templates, or up-to-date end-user documentation. Questions around what kinds of templates make sense and which ones don't. I have faith, too, that the community will come up with amazing new ways to build on these technologies, as they already have. The ecosystem of Wikidata applications that have already been built is truly impressive. The adoption of Lua for templates was rapid. Templatedata _has_ been added to many of the most common templates already, and new gadgets using it have been written. Google Summer of Code students are working on plugins for math and syntax highlighting, and I'm sure we'll see many more. And so forth. I believe in the resilience of our community and its ability to innovate and adapt. I believe in our ability to fight well with each other. And I believe that Wikimedia has never been a more exciting community to be part of than today. :-) Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Happy Sysadmin Appreciation Day!
my congratulations and all the best! /Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement
Le 2013-07-26 04:23, Everton Zanella Alvarenga a écrit : Wikimedia Foundation planned a few years ago to open an office in Brazil, one India and one in the Middle East, but it has given up of this trial for several reasons. I think before thinking about the idea of this thread, these cases should be seriously studied, inclusing some possible problems and challenges that can raise when you have far workers from different culture doing a work led by an Americo-centric organization (that was, at least, one thing pointed out by some consultants during the last all staff meeting, if I undersstood well). Can you provide some relevant links on this subject, please? And I think there is a good point about WMF office being in SF for a global organization. Its timezone is one example. Could you be more explicit, please? What about the price of the city? What do you mean? -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation
On 26 July 2013 03:12, Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvare...@okfn.org wrote: Maybe a new community (less conservative?) to build a good encyclopedia can come up if a new platformn be invented? Hence power users as a snarl word. After the uprising of the 17th of June The Secretary of the Writers’ Union Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee Stating that the people Had forfeited the confidence of the government And could win it back only By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier In that case for the government To dissolve the people And elect another? - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement
So, which other chapters are up for building out serious software engineering capacity? Actually we've been having this conversation a bit as part of our strategic planning process - how much should Wikimedia UK be doing technology and what place should it have in our long-term goals? After some debate we decided it was important enough to merit a top-level point of its own; http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Towards_a_five_year_plan_2013-18/Draft_Goals_vs_2 That said it's not something we are likely to make any big strides on in 2014. Chris ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Progress...
As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them. http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/ Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them. http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/ Fred Those bloody kids and their newfangled inventions like the steam loom and the printing press just don't have any respect any more. I seriously have no idea what that paragraph is trying to say. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them. http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/ Fred Those bloody kids and their newfangled inventions like the steam loom and the printing press just don't have any respect any more. I seriously have no idea what that paragraph is trying to say. A teaching moment... if not a learning one. Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...
Hoi, Sorry Fred, I do not like your post. The quote has it wrong because research shows that it is factually wrong. Wikipedia has a better coverage at a superior quality to the encyclopaedia that went before. The only thing I can agree with is that it is available at a much lower cost; it is the cost of having access to the Internet. As a consequence why should I read it ? Thanks, GerardM On 26 July 2013 13:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them. http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/ Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Happy Sysadmin Appreciation Day!
On 07/26/2013 03:09 AM, Manuel Schneider wrote: my congratulations and all the best! /Manuel I second this sentiment. :) People who want to understand what the Wikimedia Foundation operations staff does might like a blog post from February.[0] Ops is under Technical Operations in Engineering and Product Development on the staff page[1] in case you want to recognize them and buy them refreshing beverages at Wikimania. :) I also specifically thank the volunteers who improve Wikimedia's infrastructure. For instance, if you look at the changes being suggested to our system administration-related code,[2] you'll see lots of names in there -- for instance, AzaToth, Alex Monk, Petr Bena, Sanja pavlovic, Physikerwelt, liangent, Hazard-SJ, TTO (This, that and the other), Tzafrir Cohen, Rillke, Jeremyb, Platonides, Nemo bis, Vogone, odder, Lupo, and more -- plus engineers from Wikimedia Germany and Wikimedia Foundation. As of right now there are at least 250 changes merged into the operations/puppet repository from people who don't work at WMF.[3] Volunteers have also been key in building, testing, supporting, and documenting new parts of Wikimedia's infrastructure, such as Tool Labs and the beta cluster.[4][5][6] Thanks to all the people who have built and maintained infrastructure for the Wikimedia movement over the past twelve-plus years, no matter where you worked. [0] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/05/how-the-technical-operations-team-stops-problems-in-their-tracks/ [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff?showall=1 [2] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:%255Eoperations.*,n,z [3] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:operations/puppet+-owner:%22Ryan+Lane%22+-owner:%22Asher%22+-owner:%22Pyoungmeister%22+-owner:%22Mark+Bergsma%22+-owner:%22Faidon%22+-owner:%22Lcarr%22+-owner:%22Jgreen%22++-owner:%22Andrew+Bogott%22+-owner:%22Sara%22+-owner:%22Tim+Starling%22+-owner:%22ArielGlenn%22+-owner:%22Bhartshorne%22+-owner:%22Dzahn%22+-owner:%22RobH%22+-owner:%22Ottomata%22+-owner:%22MaxSem%22+-owner:%22Hashar%22+-owner:%22Manybubbles%22+-owner:%22Demon%22+-owner:%22Ori.livneh%22+-owner:%22Catrope%22+-owner:%22QChris%22+-owner:%22coren%22+-owner:%22Aklapper%22+-owner:%22Reedy%22+-owner:%22Spage%22+-owner:%22MarkTraceur%22+-owner:%22Dr0ptp4kt%22+-owner:%22Yuvipanda%22+-owner:%22Cmjohnson%22+-owner:%22Aaron+Schulz%22+-owner:%22Gwicke%22+-owner:%22Springle%22+-owner:%22Akosiaris%22+-owner:%22BBlack%22+-owner:%22Yurik%22+-owner:%22Jalexander%22+-owner:%22Krinkle%22+-owner:%22mwang%22+-owner:%22Diederik%22+-owner:%22Matthias+Mullie%22+-owner:%22Bsitu%22+-owner:%22Siebrand %22+-owner:%22Mattflaschen%22+-owner:%22Mwalker%22+-owner:%22Awjrichards%22+-owner:%22lwelling%22+-owner:%22Brion+VIBBER%22+-owner:%22Nikerabbit%22+-owner:%22preilly%22+-owner:%22Milimetric%22+-owner:%22Jdlrobson%22+-owner:%22anomie%22+-owner:%22Rfaulk%22+-owner:%22Ram%22,p,0023be09d2cf [4] http://tools.wmflabs.org/ [5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_cluster [6] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...
Hoi, Sorry Fred, I do not like your post. The quote has it wrong because research shows that it is factually wrong. Wikipedia has a better coverage at a superior quality to the encyclopaedia that went before. The only thing I can agree with is that it is available at a much lower cost; it is the cost of having access to the Internet. As a consequence why should I read it ? Thanks, GerardM If systemic biased editing is not considered your statement would be true. However, one of the side effects of our volunteeristic methods is that systemic bias resulting from editing by groups and interests with numberless agendas is inevitable; not that Britannica was without certain systemic biases. Wikipedia does not have good editorial control and can never have it. Gresham's law is at work; no printed book has the beauty and quality of the Lindisfarne Gospels; nothing made on a machine loom compares remotely with Navajo weaving. Fred On 26 July 2013 13:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them. http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/ Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: If systemic biased editing is not considered your statement would be true. However, one of the side effects of our volunteeristic methods is that systemic bias resulting from editing by groups and interests with numberless agendas is inevitable; not that Britannica was without certain systemic biases. Wikipedia does not have good editorial control and can never have it. Gresham's law is at work; no printed book has the beauty and quality of the Lindisfarne Gospels; nothing made on a machine loom compares remotely with Navajo weaving. Also applies to the software world, and its acceptance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...
On 26 July 2013 12:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them. http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/ Err the mention of Wikipedia is a throwaway line in an article about massive open online courses. I'm not seeing the significance. -- geni ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hoi, Sorry Fred, I do not like your post. The quote has it wrong because research shows that it is factually wrong. Wikipedia has a better coverage at a superior quality to the encyclopaedia that went before. The only thing I can agree with is that it is available at a much lower cost; it is the cost of having access to the Internet. As a consequence why should I read it ? Thanks, GerardM If systemic biased editing is not considered your statement would be true. However, one of the side effects of our volunteeristic methods is that systemic bias resulting from editing by groups and interests with numberless agendas is inevitable; not that Britannica was without certain systemic biases. Wikipedia does not have good editorial control and can never have it. Gresham's law is at work; no printed book has the beauty and quality of the Lindisfarne Gospels; nothing made on a machine loom compares remotely with Navajo weaving. Fred On 26 July 2013 13:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them. http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2013/07/08/moocs-and-economic-reality/ Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe Perhaps not as beautiful, but a lot fewer people would have clothing and blankets if we stuck only to that. I think the same is true of giving the entire world free access to a massive reference work, a project that twenty years ago would have been unthinkable. Todd -- Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=4. From this all else follows. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Collaborative machine translation for Wikipedia -- proposed strategy
After Erik's email about supporting open source machine translation [1], I've been researching options and having talks with several machine translation researchers about what would be the best way to integrate MT into Wikipedia. Unfortunately I couldn't find a single solution that, on its own, would fulfill all requirements (specially being open source). On the plus side, there is a set of technologies that if integrated, they could provide a positive and reliable experience. It would be a hard way to get there, and even so, it might be worth exploring. This is the preliminary draft: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_Machine_Translation_for_Wikipedia It is a shame that the talk about Supporting translation of Wikipedia content [2] has not been accepted for WM13. Hopefully there will be enough interest to discuss this topic there anyways. Micru [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/65605 [2] https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Supporting_translation_of_Wikipedia_content ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Happy Sysadmin Appreciation Day!
Thanks to all the people who have built and maintained infrastructure for the Wikimedia movement over the past twelve-plus years, no matter where you worked. Hear, hear! SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Happy Sysadmin Appreciation Day!
Thanks to all those who keep this thing we love up and running. On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all the people who have built and maintained infrastructure for the Wikimedia movement over the past twelve-plus years, no matter where you worked. Hear, hear! SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0 Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] fundraising experiment (ongoing!) results and question
As much as I complain about the fundraising team's continued neglect of the as yet unmeasured potential of the majority of the volunteer-submitted banner messaging ideas, I thought it would be nice to show the results of their latest experiment: http://i.imgur.com/gDBvNSt.png Note that the experiment is apparently being continued. Details are promised soon at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2013 The most recent answer to my question about why the remainder of the volunteer banner idea submissions haven't been tested was because the best banners were performing so much better than all the others. But what does that say, statistically? It means that the variance of the population of possible ideas is large enough that there is reason to believe that testing the rest of them would result in further very large improvements. I've been told several times, going back years, that yes, the Fundraising team was working on the ability to do multivariate testing (which would simply involve showing several hundred different text messages in the existing banner framework, and keeping track of the relative performance of each.) Now that we are displaying thousands of banners per day in this ongoing experiment, does anyone know whether there are still plans to do multivariate testing of the volunteer banner message submissions? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Anyway, being able to disband the SF office as regards software development (and perhaps more), and switch to remote work only, would probably be the single most effective measure for enhancing communication and cooperation in the movement. As someone who moved to SF to work here, I could not disagree more. The amount of time and energy I save being near many of the people I work with closely in the same space is enormous. Not to mention the fact that many of us work better together with people we are able to see socially and so on. I could go on, but the truth is I think no one actually responsible for making such a decision is crazy enough to get rid of a central office. (Move the office? Maybe someday if we really are forced to. We've done it before. But get rid of a central office? No.) I hear texas is wide open http://www.texaswideopenforbusiness.com/ca.php. Detroit also has lots of cheap real estate and should be a major contender. - Ryan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:39 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: If WMF is serious about letting development activities grow in other countries this might be taken into account in FDCs allocation policy. For my part, I'm happy to offer feedback to the FDC on plans related to the development of engineering capacity in FDC-funded organizations. I'm sure Wikimedia Germany, too, would be happy to share its experiences growing the Wikidata development team. I'd love to find ways to bootstrap more engineering capacity across the movement, as so many of our shared challenges have a software engineering component. If any folks on-list want to touch base on these questions at Wikimania, drop me a note. :) Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis
Hey folks, I wanted to give you a heads up that I posted an update on VE data analysis [1] and created a single page on Meta [2] with links to the various VE dashboards and reports (some of which are still being expanded/improved). [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:VisualEditor#Updates_on_VE_data_analysis [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor Dario ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis
Dario, Do you intend to measure the total number of edits per day prior to and after the visual editor roll-out? It appears that you have not analyzed or presented any data associated with those statistics. For example, why are you not providing a daily version of the hourly graph at http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_ve_hourly_by_ui ? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Communication plans for community engagement
Nathan nawrich@... writes: I think your anti-Americanism is misplaced. Let's look at some of the key people involved in the VisualEditor project. Erik is German, James F is British, Roan Kattouw is Dutch, Timo Tijhof is Dutch. If you were to skim the list of the engineering staff, they are extremely diverse, with many remote employees throughout Europe and a number of relocated Europeans (and others) working in San Francisco. Fun fact: VisualEditor is a minority-American, majority-remote operation. WMF's VisualEditor engineering team consists of: * Trevor Parscal (SF office; from the US) * Myself (SF office; from the Netherlands) * Rob Moen (SF office; from the US) * Timo Tijhof (remote from the Netherlands) * Ed Sanders (remote from the UK) * David Chen (remote from the UK) Wikia's VisualEditor engineering team: * Inez Korczyński (Wikia SF office; from Poland) * Christian Williams (Wikia SF office; from the US) The Parsoid engineering team: * Gabriel Wicke (SF office; from Germany) * Subbu Sastry (remote from the US; originally from India) * C. Scott Ananian (remote from the US) * Marc Ordinas i Llopis (remote from Spain) Google Summer of Code students mentored by the VisualEditor team: * Moriel Schottlender (remote from the US; originally from Israel) * Jiabao Wu (remote from Australia) * Tongbo Sui (remote from China) In various product and community liaison/advocacy roles, we have: * James Forrester (SF office; from the UK) * Philippe Beaudette (SF office; from the US) * Maggie Dennis (remote from the US) * Oliver Keyes (remote from the UK) * Guillaume Paumier (remote from France) * Jan Eissfeldt (remote from Germany) * Keegan Peterzell (remote from the US) * Erica Litrente (remote from Italy) * Patrick Earley (remote from Canada) * Sherry Snyder (remote from the US) (I attempted to list people in the order they joined each team. Things are moving fast, so I may have missed people; if I did, I apologize.) Total # of people: 25 (not all of whom are full-time or work on VisualEditor full-time) # originally from the US: 8 (32%) # living in the US: 14 (56%) # working from the SF office: 8 (32%) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Dario Taraborelli dtarabore...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... We do have a graph of total hourly edits on enwiki across mainspaces here: http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_edits_api - it's trivial to bin by day and filter to the main namespace only, I'll add this to my todo list. Thank you! Here is a daily graph of edits by source and visual editor with totals: http://i.imgur.com/2f0tmEu.png It would be great to know what the average total edits per day was in June. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis
I would suggest that it would be good to look specifically at daily total article edit counts by editor classes. The anon total in particular is off considerably (~15%) since VE launched. Also, many of the graphs seem to be reporting only a single month worth of values. That will become a problem once we are more than a month past VE's launch. It would be nice to extend the graphs to two or three months if possible to get a longer-term perspective. -Robert Rohde On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Dario Taraborelli dtarabore...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... We do have a graph of total hourly edits on enwiki across mainspaces here: http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_edits_api - it's trivial to bin by day and filter to the main namespace only, I'll add this to my todo list. Thank you! Here is a daily graph of edits by source and visual editor with totals: http://i.imgur.com/2f0tmEu.png It would be great to know what the average total edits per day was in June. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:52 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: For example, why are you not providing a daily version of the hourly graph at http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_ve_hourly_by_ui ? Note that if you are interested in VE edits per user type instead, http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_ve_hourly_perc_by_user_type already offers a smoothing option (click the spanner icon on the top left), which can be set to 24 hours or more. Everyone who previously cited (or relied on) information from draft versions of the analysis on Meta should read the updates that Dario has linked, because that information may have become obsolete. -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:52 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Do you intend to measure the total number of edits per day prior to and after the visual editor roll-out? It appears that you have not analyzed or presented any data associated with those statistics. We run A/B tests precisely so we don't need to rely on that kind of analysis. Pre/post launch comparisons are notoriously subject to confounding effects. I really wish we could just look at that kind of data, because running properly designed and instrumented experiments is really hard. But we can't, if we want to really know what caused an increase or decrease in edits. When you look at these kinds of numbers just on a pre/post basis, it's very hard to discern what causes a drop or increase in any given metric. We know, for instance, that as the summer progresses, editing activity drops and climbs again in the fall. We also have no idea what the impact of other deployments during that week might be (even small improvements or regressions in performance have big effects, for example). The list of unknown potential confounds go on. For the interested: Dario covered why this kind of pre/post analysis is faulty in his discussion of cohort analysis and analytics tools at a Metrics Activities meeting.[1][2] Steven 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2013-03-07 2. Slides: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/12HWRzf8XHsWC9zE3onyi6eeA_J98bPxoknLY_be-vUc/edit#slide=id.p ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis
James Salsman wrote: It would be great to know what the average total edits per day was in June. Hi. I don't really mean to feed the beast, as it were, but your posts got me curious enough to re-run a query of the number of non-deleted revisions per day for the English Wikipedia. The results are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/565971356. The page history has a few older queries as well. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates on VE data analysis
Steven Walling wrote: ... We know, for instance, that as the summer progresses, editing activity drops and climbs again in the fall How do we know that? According to http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm database edits increased from June to July and fell from July to September in the past two years. I'm sure things will improve as the visual editor is debugged, but anyone who thinks it is an improvement at present needs a wider perspective. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
