[Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
Hello community, this is to inform you that in response to the trademarking of the Wikimedia community logo[1], created in 2006 by Artur “WarX” Fijałkowski, which was discussed on this mailing list[2] as well as on Meta[3] back in March, a small group of community members—Artur, myself, Federico Leva (Nemo) and John Vandenberg—have initiated a formal process of opposition against the registration of the trademark by the Foundation in order to *reclaim the logo* for unrestricted use by the community. We appreciate the Foundation’s protection of the other trademarks they have registered so far, including the logos of Wikipedia, Wikisource and some other sister projects. In the case of the community logo, however, it is our belief that the Foundation’s actions are exactly opposite to what the community logo stands for and contradict the purpose behind its very existence. We would like to make it clear that it is not our intention to damage anyone; our actions are a challenge against what we perceive as unilateral declaration of ownership of an asset that has always belonged to the wider community, and not to one or another organisation that is part of the movement. By formally opposing the registration of the trademark we hope to ensure the history of this logo is not disregarded, and we wish to protect the community against unnecessary bureaucracy and, to use another quote, let “groups who do not purport to represent the WMF”[4] to continue to be able to freely associate with a logo that has been part of their identity for so long. We also want to note that this is in no way a legal action against the Foundation, but a simple notice of opposition against the registration of the logo in the European Union. If we assume good faith, we can only be confident that the WMF, having now a formal occasion, will withdraw its registration of the logo rather than continue using movement resources to force the community into lengthy, expensive proceedings. We invite all community members interested in this issue to express their opinions at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Reclaim_the_Logo If any of you would like to help us in any way (covering the costs of the opposition, promoting the discussion, etc.), please feel free to contact us off–list. Artur Fijalkowski (WarX) Tomasz Kozlowski (odder) Federico Leva (Nemo) John Vandenberg (jayvdb) == References == * [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg * [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124715.html * [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo * [4] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124730.html ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] It's time to reclaim the community logo
Hello community, this is to inform you that in response to the trademarking of the Wikimedia community logo[1], created in 2006 by Artur “WarX” Fijałkowski, which was discussed on this mailing list[2] as well as on Meta[3] back in March, a small group of community members—Artur, myself, Federico Leva (Nemo) and John Vandenberg—have initiated a formal process of opposition against the registration of the trademark by the Foundation in order to *reclaim the logo* for unrestricted use by the community. We appreciate the Foundation’s protection of the other trademarks they have registered so far, including the logos of Wikipedia, Wikisource and some other sister projects. In the case of the community logo, however, it is our belief that the Foundation’s actions are exactly opposite to what the community logo stands for and contradict the purpose behind its very existence. We would like to make it clear that it is not our intention to damage anyone; our actions are a challenge against what we perceive as unilateral declaration of ownership of an asset that has always belonged to the wider community, and not to one or another organisation that is part of the movement. By formally opposing the registration of the trademark we hope to ensure the history of this logo is not disregarded, and we wish to protect the community against unnecessary bureaucracy and, to use another quote, let “groups who do not purport to represent the WMF”[4] to continue to be able to freely associate with a logo that has been part of their identity for so long. We also want to note that this is in no way a legal action against the Foundation, but a simple notice of opposition against the registration of the logo in the European Union. If we assume good faith, we can only be confident that the WMF, having now a formal occasion, will withdraw its registration of the logo rather than continue using movement resources to force the community into lengthy, expensive proceedings. We invite all community members interested in this issue to express their opinions at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Reclaim_the_Logo If any of you would like to help us in any way (covering the costs of the opposition, promoting the discussion, etc.), please feel free to contact us off–list. Artur Fijalkowski (WarX) Tomasz Kozlowski (odder) Federico Leva (Nemo) John Vandenberg (jayvdb) == References == * [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg * [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124715.html * [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo * [4] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124730.html ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
I'm very sorry to see that it had to come to this (imho) radical step. I however can agree with your analysis - I have always felt very uncomfortable since I found out (after the fact of course) that the legal department had made the decision to register this as a trademark. This went against the very spirit of this logo (I indeed remember the discussions which lead to the very creation of it) and was even more disappointed that the WMF did not change its mind when the community explained the intentions, situation and consequences to them. I sincerely hope that the Board (yes, I think this should be a board level decision - legal proceedings between a group of community members and the WMF, even in a procedure like this, is an unprecedented situation and imho highly undesirable) or otherwise the staff will seriously reconsider their earlier decision to register this as a trademark, and re-apply the logo to its original use. Tomasz, I hope you will keep the wider community updated on progress being made in this case. Best, Lodewijk 2013/9/21 Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net Hello community, this is to inform you that in response to the trademarking of the Wikimedia community logo[1], created in 2006 by Artur “WarX” Fijałkowski, which was discussed on this mailing list[2] as well as on Meta[3] back in March, a small group of community members—Artur, myself, Federico Leva (Nemo) and John Vandenberg—have initiated a formal process of opposition against the registration of the trademark by the Foundation in order to *reclaim the logo* for unrestricted use by the community. We appreciate the Foundation’s protection of the other trademarks they have registered so far, including the logos of Wikipedia, Wikisource and some other sister projects. In the case of the community logo, however, it is our belief that the Foundation’s actions are exactly opposite to what the community logo stands for and contradict the purpose behind its very existence. We would like to make it clear that it is not our intention to damage anyone; our actions are a challenge against what we perceive as unilateral declaration of ownership of an asset that has always belonged to the wider community, and not to one or another organisation that is part of the movement. By formally opposing the registration of the trademark we hope to ensure the history of this logo is not disregarded, and we wish to protect the community against unnecessary bureaucracy and, to use another quote, let “groups who do not purport to represent the WMF”[4] to continue to be able to freely associate with a logo that has been part of their identity for so long. We also want to note that this is in no way a legal action against the Foundation, but a simple notice of opposition against the registration of the logo in the European Union. If we assume good faith, we can only be confident that the WMF, having now a formal occasion, will withdraw its registration of the logo rather than continue using movement resources to force the community into lengthy, expensive proceedings. We invite all community members interested in this issue to express their opinions at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/**Reclaim_the_Logohttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Reclaim_the_Logo If any of you would like to help us in any way (covering the costs of the opposition, promoting the discussion, etc.), please feel free to contact us off–list. Artur Fijalkowski (WarX) Tomasz Kozlowski (odder) Federico Leva (Nemo) John Vandenberg (jayvdb) == References == * [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_** Logo.svghttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg * [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/**pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-** March/124715.htmlhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124715.html * [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Talk:Community_Logohttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo * [4] http://lists.wikimedia.org/**pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-** March/124730.htmlhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124730.html __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.orgwikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=**unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Pitch In! Oral History transcription pilot
Hi All, Folk interested in Wikisource and/or libraries might be interested in this update from an interesting project being run with WMAU at the moment. Cheers, Craig Franklin -- Forwarded message -- From: John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com Date: 21 September 2013 20:09 Subject: [wmau:members] Pitch In! Oral History transcription pilot To: Wikimedia-au wikimediaa...@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Pip Kelly philippa.ke...@slq.qld.gov.au Hi, The State Library of Queensland (SLQ) Pitch In! project has three more weeks to go. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_SLQ New users and anons are still appearing whenever the SLQ promote the project on social media. e.g. https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinkeddays=30from=target=Index%3AAustralian_enquiry_book_of_household_and_general_information.djvu SLQ has added an oral history to be transcribed, and after a bit of fiddling we have the transcription project ready. It is a 1h20m interview of Ian Charlton, a retired Queensland architect. SLQ has a large collection of similar interviews of significant architects, and hope this pilot will clear the way for more similar uploads. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Ian_Charlton.ogg The Proofread Page software doesnt have any special support for ogg files, however each page has a player preset to the desired starting point for transcription. The player should jump forward without needing to download the 80meg audio file. e.g. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Ian_Charlton.ogg/17 This transcription can then be 'incorporated' into the ogg file using the new Timed Media Handler. I've done a quick demo here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/TimedText:Ian_Charlton.ogg.en.srt This is new territory for Wikisource, and the Commons timedtext feature is also fairly new to most of us. It would be great if a few members of this list can play around with this ogg project a little and report problems. Next week newbies will be asked to contribute to this transcription. There is a centralised discussion at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Transcribing_audio -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Fwd: It's time to reclaim the community logo
Good luck guys. It's a shame that it has come this far, I hope this is the wake up call for the WMF that this wasn't the smartest thing to do. Maarten Op 21-9-2013 12:18, Federico Leva (Nemo) schreef: FYI Nemo P.s.: P.s.: You can check whether the WMF protects the logo of your project by seeing if it's listed as registered trademark on https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_trademarks. Messaggio originale Oggetto: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo Data: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 12:16:16 +0200 Mittente: Tomasz W. Kozlowski Hello community, this is to inform you that in response to the trademarking of the Wikimedia community logo[1], created in 2006 by Artur “WarX” Fijałkowski, which was discussed on this mailing list[2] as well as on Meta[3] back in March, a small group of community members—Artur, myself, Federico Leva (Nemo) and John Vandenberg—have initiated a formal process of opposition against the registration of the trademark by the Foundation in order to *reclaim the logo* for unrestricted use by the community. We appreciate the Foundation’s protection of the other trademarks they have registered so far, including the logos of Wikipedia, Wikisource and some other sister projects. In the case of the community logo, however, it is our belief that the Foundation’s actions are exactly opposite to what the community logo stands for and contradict the purpose behind its very existence. We would like to make it clear that it is not our intention to damage anyone; our actions are a challenge against what we perceive as unilateral declaration of ownership of an asset that has always belonged to the wider community, and not to one or another organisation that is part of the movement. By formally opposing the registration of the trademark we hope to ensure the history of this logo is not disregarded, and we wish to protect the community against unnecessary bureaucracy and, to use another quote, let “groups who do not purport to represent the WMF”[4] to continue to be able to freely associate with a logo that has been part of their identity for so long. We also want to note that this is in no way a legal action against the Foundation, but a simple notice of opposition against the registration of the logo in the European Union. If we assume good faith, we can only be confident that the WMF, having now a formal occasion, will withdraw its registration of the logo rather than continue using movement resources to force the community into lengthy, expensive proceedings. We invite all community members interested in this issue to express their opinions at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Reclaim_the_Logo If any of you would like to help us in any way (covering the costs of the opposition, promoting the discussion, etc.), please feel free to contact us off–list. Artur Fijalkowski (WarX) Tomasz Kozlowski (odder) Federico Leva (Nemo) John Vandenberg (jayvdb) == References == * [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg * [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124715.html * [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo * [4] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124730.html ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Commons-l mailing list common...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: We also want to note that this is in no way a legal action against the Foundation, but a simple notice of opposition against the registration of the logo in the European Union. Hi. Thanks for writing this up. I have a few questions. Was the logo trademarked only in the European Union? How is it possible to trademark a public domain image? Who at the Wikimedia Foundation worked to trademark this logo? What's meant by the opposition end date listed at wipo.net? MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
Hi all, We have posted our response to this on the trademark policy discussion page and with a request to hold off opposition. We welcome your comments there: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trademark_practices_discussion#Response_from_the_WMF_legal_department_and_request_to_hold_off_opposition Best, Geoff Yana On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 7:50 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: We also want to note that this is in no way a legal action against the Foundation, but a simple notice of opposition against the registration of the logo in the European Union. Hi. Thanks for writing this up. I have a few questions. Was the logo trademarked only in the European Union? How is it possible to trademark a public domain image? Who at the Wikimedia Foundation worked to trademark this logo? What's meant by the opposition end date listed at wipo.net? MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
Yana Welinder, 21/09/2013 21:12: Hi all, We have posted our response to this on the trademark policy discussion page and with a request to hold off opposition. We welcome your comments there: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trademark_practices_discussion#Response_from_the_WMF_legal_department_and_request_to_hold_off_opposition We have answered, by the way. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Reclaim_the_Logo#Response_of_the_WMF_legal_team_and_request_to_hold_off_opposition Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo
Doesn't it seem a little unnecessarily confusing to have the same discussion copied, piece by piece, on to two separate talk pages? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
