Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and Internet2

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Jasper Deng, 12/10/2013 01:53:

I then read the
website and found that Wikimedia's and their missions go together very
well; part of it is the commitment to sharing and spreading information.


Where did you get this impression? I've read a few pages and to me it 
just seems the typical research network body.
It's easy to see it from their international partners: 
http://internet2.edu/international/partners/
The only overlap I see is in defending net neutrality 
http://www.internet2.edu/government/ but it's secondary in their work.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[Erik Moeller]

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 5:23 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> There's also ,
> which features a cartoon puzzle-flower that tries to explain free content.

It's not a flower, just a small person with a misshapen head. Although
it would be neat to re-do a free licensing tutorial in the style of
http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif

Erik

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[MZMcBride]

There's also ,
which features a cartoon puzzle-flower that tries to explain free content.

MZMcBride



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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and Internet2

[Jasper Deng]

I'm wondering whether Wikimedia has ever considered participating in the
Internet2 research network (Wikipedia
article;
official website ).

I had found out about it after reading a news article about how Missouri
University changing its 10 Gbit/s connection to 100 Gbit/s. I then read the
website and found that Wikimedia's and their missions go together very
well; part of it is the commitment to sharing and spreading information.
While they are focused on developing new technologies and that isn't
exactly Wikimedia's primary focus, I see big potential for Wikimedia to
benefit from participation on the network, as it could make our information
more accessible to researchers on the network.

When thinking about why Wikimedia wasn't participating, I noticed the costs
of membership. Wikimedia would participate as an Affiliate, which according
to the membership
page,
consists of "Non-profit organizations that are research- and/or
education-oriented, with a strong interest in Internet2's mission and
goals. They are committed to promoting the development and deployment of
advanced Internet applications and network services in the conduct of
research and education." (sounds like us!). For us, as a level 4 affiliate
(since our operating budget is certainly below 100 million US dollars a
year) , we would pay $10,000/yr.

I previously spoke to Ironholds about this, but neither he nor I know
whether the WMF has previously considered it.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

The very nice 
 
can also be used as final weapon to smash any remaining doubt about SA.
(Please help translate: 
.)


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[Strainu]

2013/10/11 David Gerard :
> On 11 October 2013 20:56, John  wrote:
>
>> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials
>
>
>
> Oh, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking of. Thank you!


That's what I wanted to suggest initially, but couldn't find it ATM.
Thanks John.

Strainu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[David Gerard]

On 11 October 2013 20:58, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Can't you point them towards:
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
> and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses
> to explain a lot of this?


I've just followed up with:

===
Here are useful pages to read on the topic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses

To summarise: it's a bit of a big thing to release a picture for
completely free reuse ... but in practice, it mostly works out OK.
===

If they don't get it from that, I suspect it's hopeless ;-)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[David Gerard]

On 11 October 2013 20:56, John  wrote:

> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials



Oh, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking of. Thank you!


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[Michael Peel]

On 11 Oct 2013, at 20:52, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 11 October 2013 20:49, Strainu  wrote:
> 
>> For this category of people we have OTRS:
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS#Licensing_images:_when_do_I_contact_OTRS.3F
>> :)
>> If you want to cut the queue, just contact a volunteer to have the
>> ticket processed.
> 
> 
> Yes, there's that :-)
> 
> I suppose I'm wondering more about how to explain free content, in
> most of its frightening implications, to people who I strongly suspect
> have never even considered the concept of putting a work completely
> beyond their control. Something in less than several kilobytes.

Can't you point them towards:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses
to explain a lot of this?

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[John]

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:52 PM, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 11 October 2013 20:49, Strainu  wrote:
>
> > For this category of people we have OTRS:
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS#Licensing_images:_when_do_I_contact_OTRS.3F
> > :)
> > If you want to cut the queue, just contact a volunteer to have the
> > ticket processed.
>
>
> Yes, there's that :-)
>
> I suppose I'm wondering more about how to explain free content, in
> most of its frightening implications, to people who I strongly suspect
> have never even considered the concept of putting a work completely
> beyond their control. Something in less than several kilobytes.
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[John]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission is
from the otherside of the table but might be useful

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Strainu  wrote:

> For this category of people we have OTRS:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS#Licensing_images:_when_do_I_contact_OTRS.3F
> :)
>
> If you want to cut the queue, just contact a volunteer to have the
> ticket processed.
>
> Strainu
>
> 2013/10/11 David Gerard :
> > I just got a phone call and followup email today asking about how to
> > upload a photo to be on a Wikipedia article.
> >
> > This has got to be an incredibly common request. What's a standardised
> > way to handle it?
> >
> > Here's the text I wrote back with:
> >
> > ===
> > OK - the key point with contributing a picture to Wikipedia, or rather
> > to Wikimedia Commons, is that you are contributing it to the world -
> > under a free licence.
> >
> > (You can't contribute a picture "for use in Wikipedia" - Wikipedia
> > doesn't accept those. It needs pictures of living people to be under a
> > licence where literally anyone can use it.)
> >
> > So, you need the person or body who owns the copyright in the picture
> > to contribute it under a free licence. This means you lose control
> > over the picture, but it does contribute it to the world. This does
> > not control unpleasant reuses - so be very sure you think this is a
> > good idea.
> >
> >https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Contributing_your_own_work
> >
> > This works quite well in my experience for promotional photos. It will
> > rapidly become *the* picture people use.
> >
> > Creative Commons by-sa is a good licence, I think - anyone can use it,
> > but anyone can reuse it.
> >
> > Once a picture is uploaded to Commons, it can be used on Wikipedia
> articles.
> > ===
> >
> > - But there's got to be a better text and/or page I could refer them to
> ...
> >
> > Assume the person this is for knows very little about Wikipedia or
> > content freedom.
> >
> >
> > - d.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[David Gerard]

On 11 October 2013 20:49, Strainu  wrote:

> For this category of people we have OTRS:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS#Licensing_images:_when_do_I_contact_OTRS.3F
> :)
> If you want to cut the queue, just contact a volunteer to have the
> ticket processed.


Yes, there's that :-)

I suppose I'm wondering more about how to explain free content, in
most of its frightening implications, to people who I strongly suspect
have never even considered the concept of putting a work completely
beyond their control. Something in less than several kilobytes.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[Strainu]

For this category of people we have OTRS:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS#Licensing_images:_when_do_I_contact_OTRS.3F
:)

If you want to cut the queue, just contact a volunteer to have the
ticket processed.

Strainu

2013/10/11 David Gerard :
> I just got a phone call and followup email today asking about how to
> upload a photo to be on a Wikipedia article.
>
> This has got to be an incredibly common request. What's a standardised
> way to handle it?
>
> Here's the text I wrote back with:
>
> ===
> OK - the key point with contributing a picture to Wikipedia, or rather
> to Wikimedia Commons, is that you are contributing it to the world -
> under a free licence.
>
> (You can't contribute a picture "for use in Wikipedia" - Wikipedia
> doesn't accept those. It needs pictures of living people to be under a
> licence where literally anyone can use it.)
>
> So, you need the person or body who owns the copyright in the picture
> to contribute it under a free licence. This means you lose control
> over the picture, but it does contribute it to the world. This does
> not control unpleasant reuses - so be very sure you think this is a
> good idea.
>
>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Contributing_your_own_work
>
> This works quite well in my experience for promotional photos. It will
> rapidly become *the* picture people use.
>
> Creative Commons by-sa is a good licence, I think - anyone can use it,
> but anyone can reuse it.
>
> Once a picture is uploaded to Commons, it can be used on Wikipedia articles.
> ===
>
> - But there's got to be a better text and/or page I could refer them to ...
>
> Assume the person this is for knows very little about Wikipedia or
> content freedom.
>
>
> - d.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Someone wants to put their promotional photo on Wikipedia. What's best practices?

[David Gerard]

I just got a phone call and followup email today asking about how to
upload a photo to be on a Wikipedia article.

This has got to be an incredibly common request. What's a standardised
way to handle it?

Here's the text I wrote back with:

===
OK - the key point with contributing a picture to Wikipedia, or rather
to Wikimedia Commons, is that you are contributing it to the world -
under a free licence.

(You can't contribute a picture "for use in Wikipedia" - Wikipedia
doesn't accept those. It needs pictures of living people to be under a
licence where literally anyone can use it.)

So, you need the person or body who owns the copyright in the picture
to contribute it under a free licence. This means you lose control
over the picture, but it does contribute it to the world. This does
not control unpleasant reuses - so be very sure you think this is a
good idea.

   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Contributing_your_own_work

This works quite well in my experience for promotional photos. It will
rapidly become *the* picture people use.

Creative Commons by-sa is a good licence, I think - anyone can use it,
but anyone can reuse it.

Once a picture is uploaded to Commons, it can be used on Wikipedia articles.
===

- But there's got to be a better text and/or page I could refer them to ...

Assume the person this is for knows very little about Wikipedia or
content freedom.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] End of the Carbon Footprint discussion - for me anyway.

[Geoff Beacon]

MF-Warburg

I am now going to unsubscribe from this list (for the time-being anyway) so I 
am not tempted to email to enter into more discussion.  It's just not 
productive for me or you.

If you think that my criticisms are just about one particular article you have 
missed my main point, which concerns Wikipedia's credentialism and over 
reliance on official sources, academic and governmental, which I have often 
found to be suspect.

Do look at http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/is-wikipedia-too-credentialist/ for a 
fuller explanation.

I will continue to use Wikipedia (like so many other people) and pay my small 
monthly contribution to Wikimedia. 

Goodbye for now.

Best wishes

Geoff

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Can this whole discussion please be moved to enwiki or at least the enwiki
list? Working out details of an article is not really the topic of this
list.
Am 10.10.2013 12:44 schrieb "Geoff Beacon" :

> Thanks James
>
> ... but that isn't an answer about carbon footprints. Climate change may
> be controversial. I'm in the thick of that argument but carbon footprints
> are simpler and fit with other information on Wikipedia. e.g. [Global
> Warming Potential] and [Carbon Dioxide Equivalent]
>
> [break]
>
> But now I've looked at those I'm very confused the "definition" of [Carbon
> Dioxide Equivalent] does not seem to be influenced by the lifetime of
> greenhouse gasses as opposed to [Global Warming Potential]. Perhaps I have
> been using a different concept of CO2e.
>
> I've noticed that PAS2050 is referenced in [Carbon footprint]. There are a
> some serious criticisms that can be made of this. As I remember it
>
> -- ignores the radiative forcing index associated with air travel,
> -- uses the unrealistic conventional wisdom of a 100 year time scale for
> calculating carbon footprint
> -- assumes all wood product will be returned to carbon dioxide
> -- but allows cement to recapture some CO2 within their time-frame.
>
> The consequences are to go easy on beef, air travel, cement, steel and
> penalise wood products. This would be inline with government political
> objectives and some commercial interests.
>
> If I were to point these things out somewhere in the [Carbon footprint]
> piece would my entry be removed? I know of no academic work that has
> received funding to make these points so there is no peer reviewed
> literature.
>
> Could I quote PAS2050 as it isn't peer reviewed?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Geoff
>
> - Original message -
> From: James Salsman 
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Carbon footprints on Wikipedia.
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:37:49 +0800
>
> > "The inherent complexity and controversy of carbon footprints".
> > What do you mean by that?
>
> Even those who fight for inclusion of the facts about climate change
> on Wikipedia aren't very likely to follow the peer reviewed secondary
> literature when it comes to reporting the extent of changes in extreme
> weather.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Extreme_weather&action=history
> has some good examples, with more going back years.
>
> There's really no way to get Wikipedia to correctly reflect
> controversial topics unless you are willing to invest the time it
> takes to counter conflicted interest editing.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> --
>   Geoff Beacon
>   geoffbea...@sent.com
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] YouTube Videos about Wikimedia-L

[Lodewijk]

It seems like the account has been removed already?

Lodewijk


2013/10/10 Sarah Stierch 

> Someone send me a link to this, articles being generated about Wikipedia
> articles:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIafRDt88NQ
>
> based on this:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_outdoor_artworks_at_the_Indianapolis_Museum_of_Art
>
> Quite funny.
>
> --
> --
> *Sarah Stierch*
> *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian*
> *www.sarahstierch.com*
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