Re: [Wikimedia-l] How lovely live communication works worldwide

2013-12-05 Thread Jean-Frédéric
Hi,

2013/12/4 Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch

 Am 03.12.2013 23:33, schrieb Tilman Bayer:

  Note that this solution is still based on proprietary software, in that
 it
  requires users to install a Flash plugin.


 well, BigBlueButton is completely open source, including the flash
 applets used.


Except that it appears the required Flash version is not available under
Linux, except if using the proprietary Chrome.

Back then in April I extensively tested BBB - the found issues were
reported to the developers.
https://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/issues/detail?id=1479
https://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/issues/detail?id=1243

These issues will not be fixed, given the current work done with HTML5 +
WebRTC.

-- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How lovely live communication works worldwide

2013-12-05 Thread Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
Hi,

I will try today, for the first time, Palava.tv. Don't know if it's any
good, but it is run by a German non-for profit that rely on donations only
(thus similar to our sustainability model).

If it works well enough it might be worth keeping on one's shortlist. Will
let you know.

Dimi


2013/12/5 Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 2013/12/4 Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch

  Am 03.12.2013 23:33, schrieb Tilman Bayer:
 
   Note that this solution is still based on proprietary software, in
 that
  it
   requires users to install a Flash plugin.
 
 
  well, BigBlueButton is completely open source, including the flash
  applets used.
 

 Except that it appears the required Flash version is not available under
 Linux, except if using the proprietary Chrome.

 Back then in April I extensively tested BBB - the found issues were
 reported to the developers.
 https://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/issues/detail?id=1479
 https://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/issues/detail?id=1243

 These issues will not be fixed, given the current work done with HTML5 +
 WebRTC.

 --
 Jean-Frédéric
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[Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop

2013-12-05 Thread Chris Keating
***Registration is now open for the Wikimedia Boards Training Workshop in
London, 1-2 March 2014.***

Are you a Board member of a Wikimedia Chapter or Thematic Organisation?
Then this workshop is for you! We are drawing on expertise from within the
Wikimedia movement and beyond to produce a two-day training session which
will aim to give Board members the skills and knowledge to do a great job.

The programme and venue details for the workshop is here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_March_2014

You can register for the event here:
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/register?orderid=233759341483

Registration is open to all Wikimedia chapter / thematic org board members
but those who have, or expect to recruit, staff will gain the most out of
it. Registration costs £50, and accommodation options will cost £70 or cost
£120 per night. There is a maximum of 20 places available.

Some frequently asked questions:

* Are there scholarships?
Yes. If your chapter / organisation is not able to cover the costs, please
fill in the Will you require a scholarship to attend? box on the form
with an estimate of how much your travel will be. There will be a number of
scholarships on offer. All scholarships offered will cover registration,
food, accommodation and travel (no-one is expected to pay for this event
out of their own pocket). We will be in touch with everyone requesting a
scholarship within 2 weeks with a definite answer.

* What if my attendance depends on visas / being re-elected?
If you register but are unable to attend because of visa issues, or if you
leave your organisation's Board before the workshop, we will offer your
place to someone else from your chapter/organisation. Also, if you need a
visa, Wikimedia UK will help (e.g. with a letter of invitation).

* This is a great idea but is too far away from me - what can I do?
This is a first step and hopefully, if it succeeds, there will be more
similar events in future. (Hopefully not all of them will be in London or
in English, either). If you feel that training and supporting boards is
important, then you can also raise this in the calls for programme for the
Wikimedia Conference and Wikimania.

Regards,

Chris
on behalf of Wikimedia UK and the organising committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop

2013-12-05 Thread Chris Keating
Correcting link:
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/board-training-workshop-tickets-8850487045

*cough*


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote:

 ***Registration is now open for the Wikimedia Boards Training Workshop in
 London, 1-2 March 2014.***

 Are you a Board member of a Wikimedia Chapter or Thematic Organisation?
 Then this workshop is for you! We are drawing on expertise from within the
 Wikimedia movement and beyond to produce a two-day training session which
 will aim to give Board members the skills and knowledge to do a great job.

 The programme and venue details for the workshop is here:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_March_2014

 You can register for the event here:
 https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/register?orderid=233759341483

 Registration is open to all Wikimedia chapter / thematic org board members
 but those who have, or expect to recruit, staff will gain the most out of
 it. Registration costs £50, and accommodation options will cost £70 or cost
 £120 per night. There is a maximum of 20 places available.

 Some frequently asked questions:

 * Are there scholarships?
 Yes. If your chapter / organisation is not able to cover the costs, please
 fill in the Will you require a scholarship to attend? box on the form
 with an estimate of how much your travel will be. There will be a number of
 scholarships on offer. All scholarships offered will cover registration,
 food, accommodation and travel (no-one is expected to pay for this event
 out of their own pocket). We will be in touch with everyone requesting a
 scholarship within 2 weeks with a definite answer.

 * What if my attendance depends on visas / being re-elected?
 If you register but are unable to attend because of visa issues, or if you
 leave your organisation's Board before the workshop, we will offer your
 place to someone else from your chapter/organisation. Also, if you need a
 visa, Wikimedia UK will help (e.g. with a letter of invitation).

 * This is a great idea but is too far away from me - what can I do?
 This is a first step and hopefully, if it succeeds, there will be more
 similar events in future. (Hopefully not all of them will be in London or
 in English, either). If you feel that training and supporting boards is
 important, then you can also raise this in the calls for programme for the
 Wikimedia Conference and Wikimania.

 Regards,

 Chris
 on behalf of Wikimedia UK and the organising committee

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop

2013-12-05 Thread Christophe Henner
Hey Chris,

Hope you're fine.

The eventbrite link isn't working properly from France :(

Thanks for your help

Best,
--
Christophe


On 5 December 2013 18:59, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:
 ***Registration is now open for the Wikimedia Boards Training Workshop in
 London, 1-2 March 2014.***

 Are you a Board member of a Wikimedia Chapter or Thematic Organisation?
 Then this workshop is for you! We are drawing on expertise from within the
 Wikimedia movement and beyond to produce a two-day training session which
 will aim to give Board members the skills and knowledge to do a great job.

 The programme and venue details for the workshop is here:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_March_2014

 You can register for the event here:
 https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/register?orderid=233759341483

 Registration is open to all Wikimedia chapter / thematic org board members
 but those who have, or expect to recruit, staff will gain the most out of
 it. Registration costs £50, and accommodation options will cost £70 or cost
 £120 per night. There is a maximum of 20 places available.

 Some frequently asked questions:

 * Are there scholarships?
 Yes. If your chapter / organisation is not able to cover the costs, please
 fill in the Will you require a scholarship to attend? box on the form
 with an estimate of how much your travel will be. There will be a number of
 scholarships on offer. All scholarships offered will cover registration,
 food, accommodation and travel (no-one is expected to pay for this event
 out of their own pocket). We will be in touch with everyone requesting a
 scholarship within 2 weeks with a definite answer.

 * What if my attendance depends on visas / being re-elected?
 If you register but are unable to attend because of visa issues, or if you
 leave your organisation's Board before the workshop, we will offer your
 place to someone else from your chapter/organisation. Also, if you need a
 visa, Wikimedia UK will help (e.g. with a letter of invitation).

 * This is a great idea but is too far away from me - what can I do?
 This is a first step and hopefully, if it succeeds, there will be more
 similar events in future. (Hopefully not all of them will be in London or
 in English, either). If you feel that training and supporting boards is
 important, then you can also raise this in the calls for programme for the
 Wikimedia Conference and Wikimania.

 Regards,

 Chris
 on behalf of Wikimedia UK and the organising committee
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[Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library's Books and Bytes newsletter

2013-12-05 Thread Jake Orlowitz
Books  Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 2, November 2013

by The Interior (talk =B7 contribs), Ocaasi (talk =B7 contribs)

Sign up for monthly delivery:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/Re=
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Wikipedia Library Highlights

New accounts survey

TWL is in discussions with several database providers to start new
pilot programs for research account donations. Two of the largest
research database organizations in the world, EBSCO Publishing and
ProQuest, are both interested in learning which of their database
services Wikipedians would be most interested in receiving. TWL has
put together a survey to help with this, as well as gather more
general information about usage, editor satisfaction and the direction
Wikipedians would like to see their library moving in. The brief
Google Forms survey takes 5-10 minutes, and will be sent out this week
to TWL subscribers.

JSTOR expired, extended

The JSTOR pilot program, which gave 100 free accounts to top article
writers, expired this month. Thanks to Steven Walling, an extension
until the end of January was secured. Talks with JSTOR are ongoing to
keep this valuable resource available free of charge to editors. Sign
up for JSTOR.

New Metrics

New data from the Credo Partnership showed a 500% increase in links to
the site in total since the program began. With much larger numbers in
general, and a shorter time frame, the HighBeam increase of 390% as of
May 2013 is also of interest. Special thanks to Johnuniq for compiling
this data. If you are data-inclined, TWL always needs help compiling
statistics. These stats are useful not only to our current partners,
but also to encouraging prospective new partners to make donations.

Help Needed: TWL Account Coordinator

TWL is seeking a manager for the coordinated dispersal of donated
accounts. The role involves watchlisting the application pages,
vetting candidates using a fairly simple set of requirements (1 year
activity, 1000 edits on any Wikimedia projects, having email enabled
and an expressed desire to use the account for article work), and then
emailing the access codes to users. As it stands, this would be not
more 1-2 hours of work a week (though it will when new accounts are
announced). Great communication and responsiveness so that subscribers
get prompt replies to their applications is a must. If you are
interested, please get in touch with The Interior or Ocaasi. Apply to
be the new Account Coordinator.

Wikipedia Visiting Scholars

Along with the announcement of a position at George Mason University,
a second institution plans to host a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar
placement - University of California at Riverside Library.More details
on this partnership should be announced in December and over a dozen
universities are interested in attending an information session about
the program in January. Also in December, George Mason will be seeking
applications for their position. For more information on the Visiting
Scholar program, see http://enwp.org/WP:WVS. Sign up to be a Wikipedia Visiting
Scholar.

TWL presents: American Library Association's mid-winter meeting

The ALA is the largest library organization in the U.S. TWL has been
accepted to present at their mid-winter conference in Philadelphia on
January 25th from 1:30 to 3:00pm. The session will introduce academic
librarians from around the country to the role Wikipedia can play in
learning and research. We will use the session both to introduce TWL's
mission and scope, and then to kick-off the Wikipedia Visiting
Scholars program with an overview of the initiative and plenty of time
for planning and questions. Over a dozen top universities have
expressed interest in attending, which bodes very well for the future
placing Wikipedians in official research affiliate positions.

New Talk: The Future of Libraries and Wikipedia

Ocaasi gave the first presentation of The Future of Libraries and
Wikipedia to George Mason University. GMU Professor and THATcamp
coordinator Amanda French brought students and librarians together for
the event. The talk highlights the mission and pillars of Wikipedia,
the Wikipedia Library's 5 goals, and 13 to explore the question, What
if Wikipedia's was the internet's library?



Spotlight on people: Another Believer and Wiki Loves Libraries

Books  Bytes was pleased to interview two of the community's Wiki
Loves Libraries event coordinators, IJethroBT and AnotherBeliever.
This fall, both organised edit-a-thons, one in Chicago, and others in
Portland, Oregon and Vancouver, Washington. For this issue, we will
present Another Believer=92s interview. Be sure to catch the December
issue to hear about IJethroBT=92s experiences.

Another Believer is Jason Moore, a Wikipedian based in Portland,
Oregon. He works on articles on music and the arts, among other
topics, and has been editing since 2007. He has 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 2013 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, December 5, 19:00 UTC

2013-12-05 Thread Praveena Maharaj
REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes.



On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Dear all,

 The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday,
 December 5, 2013 at 7:00 PM UTC (11 AM PST). The IRC channel is
 #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast
 as a live YouTube stream.

 The current structure of the meeting is:

 * Review of key metrics including the monthly report card, but also
 specialized reports and analytic
 * Review of financials
 * Welcoming recent hires
 * Brief presentations on recent projects, with a focus on highest priority
 initiatives
 * Update and QA with the Executive Director, if available

 Please review
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings for
 further information about how to participate.

 We’ll post the video recording publicly after the meeting.

 Thank you,
 Praveena

 --
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 +1 (415) 839 6885 ext. 6689
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop

2013-12-05 Thread Chris Keating
Also, in response to a query: It is possible to register without paying
registration right away. If you click Other Payment Options you can
select one of those and we will settle up with you eventually. :-)

Chris


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote:

 Correcting link:
 https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/board-training-workshop-tickets-8850487045

 *cough*


 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Chris Keating 
 chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote:

 ***Registration is now open for the Wikimedia Boards Training Workshop in
 London, 1-2 March 2014.***

 Are you a Board member of a Wikimedia Chapter or Thematic Organisation?
 Then this workshop is for you! We are drawing on expertise from within the
 Wikimedia movement and beyond to produce a two-day training session which
 will aim to give Board members the skills and knowledge to do a great job.

 The programme and venue details for the workshop is here:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_March_2014

 You can register for the event here:
 https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/register?orderid=233759341483

 Registration is open to all Wikimedia chapter / thematic org board
 members but those who have, or expect to recruit, staff will gain the most
 out of it. Registration costs £50, and accommodation options will cost £70
 or cost £120 per night. There is a maximum of 20 places available.

 Some frequently asked questions:

 * Are there scholarships?
 Yes. If your chapter / organisation is not able to cover the costs,
 please fill in the Will you require a scholarship to attend? box on the
 form with an estimate of how much your travel will be. There will be a
 number of scholarships on offer. All scholarships offered will cover
 registration, food, accommodation and travel (no-one is expected to pay for
 this event out of their own pocket). We will be in touch with everyone
 requesting a scholarship within 2 weeks with a definite answer.

 * What if my attendance depends on visas / being re-elected?
 If you register but are unable to attend because of visa issues, or if
 you leave your organisation's Board before the workshop, we will offer your
 place to someone else from your chapter/organisation. Also, if you need a
 visa, Wikimedia UK will help (e.g. with a letter of invitation).

 * This is a great idea but is too far away from me - what can I do?
 This is a first step and hopefully, if it succeeds, there will be more
 similar events in future. (Hopefully not all of them will be in London or
 in English, either). If you feel that training and supporting boards is
 important, then you can also raise this in the calls for programme for the
 Wikimedia Conference and Wikimania.

 Regards,

 Chris
 on behalf of Wikimedia UK and the organising committee



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How lovely live communication works worldwide

2013-12-05 Thread Manuel Schneider
Hi,

Am 05.12.2013 11:13, schrieb Jean-Frédéric:
 Except that it appears the required Flash version is not available under
 Linux, except if using the proprietary Chrome.

I only own Linux computers and BBB works perfectly here in Firefox
17.0.9 with Adobe Flash 11,2,202,310, just the standard packages of my
distribution.

On Ubuntu there is a bug but there is also a workaround:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/865672

 Back then in April I extensively tested BBB - the found issues were
 reported to the developers.
 https://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/issues/detail?id=1479
 https://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/issues/detail?id=1243

Great, that is making the application better, thanks!

Although I have to state again that issue 1479 might just be a
theoretical one, as BBB does indeed work with FlashPlayer 11.2.

 These issues will not be fixed, given the current work done with HTML5 +
 WebRTC.

HTML5 and WebRTC will actually be a superior solution to the whole
problem, I am looking forward to it.
Anyway I hope that the Flash interface will be continued as a fallback
as it might take another two years until everyone has a HTML5 browser
with WebRTC.


/Manuel
-- 
Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library's Books and Bytes newsletter

2013-12-05 Thread phoebe ayers
I just wanted to say thanks to Jake and everyone who has worked on the
Wikipedia Library project -- this is a really cool and exciting set of
initiatives. I've seen a lot of interest lately from libraries in various
Wikipedia projects, and this outreach is definitely a big part of that.

Also, a pitch/reminder: if anyone is interested in discussing library
projects and Wikimedia, we do have a separate mailing list here:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries that everyone is
welcome to join.

best,
phoebe

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jake Orlowitz jorlow...@gmail.com wrote:
 Books  Bytes

 Volume 1, Issue 2, November 2013

 by The Interior (talk =B7 contribs), Ocaasi (talk =B7 contribs)

 Sign up for monthly delivery:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/Re=
 cipients

 Read online:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/=
 Newsletter/November_2013


 Wikipedia Library Highlights

 New accounts survey

 TWL is in discussions with several database providers to start new
 pilot programs for research account donations. Two of the largest
 research database organizations in the world, EBSCO Publishing and
 ProQuest, are both interested in learning which of their database
 services Wikipedians would be most interested in receiving. TWL has
 put together a survey to help with this, as well as gather more
 general information about usage, editor satisfaction and the direction
 Wikipedians would like to see their library moving in. The brief
 Google Forms survey takes 5-10 minutes, and will be sent out this week
 to TWL subscribers.

 JSTOR expired, extended

 The JSTOR pilot program, which gave 100 free accounts to top article
 writers, expired this month. Thanks to Steven Walling, an extension
 until the end of January was secured. Talks with JSTOR are ongoing to
 keep this valuable resource available free of charge to editors. Sign
 up for JSTOR.

 New Metrics

 New data from the Credo Partnership showed a 500% increase in links to
 the site in total since the program began. With much larger numbers in
 general, and a shorter time frame, the HighBeam increase of 390% as of
 May 2013 is also of interest. Special thanks to Johnuniq for compiling
 this data. If you are data-inclined, TWL always needs help compiling
 statistics. These stats are useful not only to our current partners,
 but also to encouraging prospective new partners to make donations.

 Help Needed: TWL Account Coordinator

 TWL is seeking a manager for the coordinated dispersal of donated
 accounts. The role involves watchlisting the application pages,
 vetting candidates using a fairly simple set of requirements (1 year
 activity, 1000 edits on any Wikimedia projects, having email enabled
 and an expressed desire to use the account for article work), and then
 emailing the access codes to users. As it stands, this would be not
 more 1-2 hours of work a week (though it will when new accounts are
 announced). Great communication and responsiveness so that subscribers
 get prompt replies to their applications is a must. If you are
 interested, please get in touch with The Interior or Ocaasi. Apply to
 be the new Account Coordinator.

 Wikipedia Visiting Scholars

 Along with the announcement of a position at George Mason University,
 a second institution plans to host a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar
 placement - University of California at Riverside Library.More details
 on this partnership should be announced in December and over a dozen
 universities are interested in attending an information session about
 the program in January. Also in December, George Mason will be seeking
 applications for their position. For more information on the Visiting
 Scholar program, see http://enwp.org/WP:WVS. Sign up to be a Wikipedia
Visiting
 Scholar.

 TWL presents: American Library Association's mid-winter meeting

 The ALA is the largest library organization in the U.S. TWL has been
 accepted to present at their mid-winter conference in Philadelphia on
 January 25th from 1:30 to 3:00pm. The session will introduce academic
 librarians from around the country to the role Wikipedia can play in
 learning and research. We will use the session both to introduce TWL's
 mission and scope, and then to kick-off the Wikipedia Visiting
 Scholars program with an overview of the initiative and plenty of time
 for planning and questions. Over a dozen top universities have
 expressed interest in attending, which bodes very well for the future
 placing Wikipedians in official research affiliate positions.

 New Talk: The Future of Libraries and Wikipedia

 Ocaasi gave the first presentation of The Future of Libraries and
 Wikipedia to George Mason University. GMU Professor and THATcamp
 coordinator Amanda French brought students and librarians together for
 the event. The talk highlights the mission and pillars of Wikipedia,
 the Wikipedia Library's 5 goals, and 13 to explore the question, What
 if 

[Wikimedia-l] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?

2013-12-05 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
http://m.wikipedia.org used to be a hard-coded redirect to English
en.m.wikipedia.org, except for the users in the Zero program. We now have
an ability to have complex redirection for that domain. How do you think
m.wikipedia.org should behave?

We could redirect m. to ...
* the current www.wikipedia.org, which seems to work pretty well on the
smaller device screens
* send users to the main page of the user's default language - based on the
browser settings (Accept-Language header) - and later possibly even based
on user's own language prefernces
* ...

Obviously it should be similar for other projects like wikinews, etc.

I am not a big fan of building a full blown page at the m. URL, as that
would involve much more work without a clear benefit - there are already
www and main pages available, why build another one.

Thanks!
--Yuri
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New evaluation report on meta - WORKSHOPS

2013-12-05 Thread Fhaidel Dominguez
Very interesting. Useful to draw better lines to guide us in this regard.
Thanks for sharing.


2013/12/5 Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com

 [pardon the cross-posting]

 Hi everyone! (Important areas bolded for people who are TL;DR types[1])

 As you may remember, the Program Evaluation and Design team here at WMF has
 been doing evaluation of programmatic activities in the movement - with
 your help! THANK YOU!

 *We have released our next reporting page about our current focus programs
 on meta about WORKSHOPS. *We appreciate everyone's participation so far,
 and we've made improvements to the edit-a-thon page based on your feedback,
 including bolding highlights for those of you who seeking a high level view
 of our ongoing reporting.

 *A third page is now on meta, and ready for improvement and commenting.
  It's the WORKSHOPS page*, which provides information about:

- Program basics and history
- Response rates and limitations
- Reported data evaluation
- Priority goals as chosen by program leaders
- How much budget and time goes into planning workshops
- What participation is like at workshops
- Recruitment, retention, and replication details.
- Next steps (tool building, requests, support, etc)

 *Feel free to improve and make edits on the talk page. And of course, if
 you are a program leader/chapter that implements workshops and your data
 isn't represented, please contact me to submit your data*.

 *You can visit this new page here:*

 *
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs:Evaluation_portal/Library/Editing_workshops
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs:Evaluation_portal/Library/Editing_workshops
 *

 We hope you find this report inspiring and helpful.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?

2013-12-05 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
I agree with James. I'd like to m.wikipedia land up at a portal with a
language list and selector.

Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender.
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Treasurer.
On Dec 6, 2013 10:42 AM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  http://m.wikipedia.org used to be a hard-coded redirect to English
  en.m.wikipedia.org, except for the users in the Zero program. We now
 have
  an ability to have complex redirection for that domain. How do you think
  m.wikipedia.org should behave?
 
  We could redirect m. to ...
  * the current www.wikipedia.org, which seems to work pretty well on the
  smaller device screens
  * send users to the main page of the user's default language - based on
  the browser settings (Accept-Language header) - and later possibly even
  based on user's own language prefernces
  * ...
 
  Obviously it should be similar for other projects like wikinews, etc.
 
  I am not a big fan of building a full blown page at the m. URL, as that
  would involve much more work without a clear benefit - there are already
  www and main pages available, why build another one.
 
  Thanks!
  --Yuri
 
 
 Completely agree that building a new page would be silly, we can just adapt
 the portals themselves (already editable on meta) with some mobile specific
 styling if it becomes a problem I think.

 Personally I'd be a fan sending it to the main 'wikipedia.org' type
 landing
 page. Couple reasons (some larger then others):

 * I've never really been a fan of assuming that they want to go to a
 specific languages (biggest reason)
 * Finding 'other' languages on the main page of wikis (both mobile and not)
 is possible but significantly easier on the main portal screen.
 * I kinda like the idea of driving home, to anyone who visits that portal
 at least, how many different languages we have. I feel like it could take
 their fancy to check out some of the ones they may not have before (either
 now or later).

 James
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