Hoi,
We includes anyone who wants to be involved and does not exclude him or
herself by his or her own actions or choices.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 September 2014 07:09, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
The major deficiencies that have long been identified in the current
discussion system (and that can be addressed by technology) are all able to
be addressed in MediaWiki software or by extensions. Automatic signatures
have
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's a legitimate question, although it's not as radically
divorced as you would think; ultimately it'll use the VisualEditor
(probably with a simplified toolbar by default) just like Flow does.
.. just like article
Hi Erik,
While I have a lot of reservations about the usefulness of the Media
Viewer, I agree with you that talk pages are now inefficient for all
and complex for new users. Personally I am willing to try any system
which offers the features missing in the current talk pages, specially
removing
Hi,
2014-09-04 12:34 GMT+05:30 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:
the most urgent and important thing is to fix the
UploadWizard.
This is indeed underway, and has been for some time, with focus on bug
fixes and code quality
Something that that would be useful is a video demonstration of Flow in
action.
I like the goal of VE in principle, and I hear lots of comments to the
effect that it is improving over time. MediaViewer seems to be on the road
to improvement. I understand where both of those are headed. But I am
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
2014-09-04 12:34 GMT+05:30 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote:
the most urgent and important thing is to fix the
UploadWizard.
This is indeed underway,
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Something that that would be useful is a video demonstration of Flow in
action.
That could be handy, Pine. But sometimes you can't demonstrate all
benefits yet, because they don't even exist in the implementation yet
-- only in
Hoi,
I have used LiquidThreads and the current talk pages for too long. I prefer
LiquidThreads ANY day warts and all over the talk pages.
Ok this discussion is about automated discussion environments and lets keep
to that subject. As you may know, translatewiki.net uses LQT. It is
therefore quite
On 06/09/14 06:13, Erik Moeller wrote:
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
The major deficiencies that have long been identified in the current
discussion system (and that can be addressed by technology) are all able to
be addressed in MediaWiki software or by
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
Have the successes and failures of the existing approaches and tools been
considered? Are things LQT got right present in Flow?
Some, yes (remember Andrew and Brandon have worked on both LQT and
Flow) -- in other cases the
Hi all,
ten years ago this Sunday, Wikimedia Commons went online. We've sent out
the below press release to draw some attention to this occasion, and also
published a separate blog post by Lila which goes a bit more into the
project's history (such as the very first photograph uploaded to
On 06/09/2014, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
Be like 4chan! Everyone loves 4chan.
No.
This is so wrong it hurts.
Fae
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On 6 September 2014 07:11, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
We includes anyone who wants to be involved and does not exclude him or
herself by his or her own actions or choices.
Thanks,
GerardM
Incorrect.
Erik's email includes phrases like We're not pushing an
Where does the idea that user interface changes to the system which
has already produced the most monumental reference work in the history
of humanity are going to help with its only actual problem, that
people aren't sufficiently inclined to stick around and maintain it?
If there was any
Erik - how confident are you that you're coming up with something that
the present users of talk pages - people actually trying to get work
done on articles - will love? Not just barely tolerate - what are you
bringing us?
- d.
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On Saturday, September 6, 2014, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
So we think a
support forum like the Teahouse, and its equivalent in other languages
may be a good place to start -- provided the hosts agree that there
are no dealbreaker issues for them.
What about setting up some kind
Wil Sinclair wrote:
I think there is a lot of value and promise in Flow. But it is a huge paradigm
shift for onwiki communication, and it must not surprise users under any
circumstances. Maybe someone has the right figure handy, but I wouldn't be
surprised if, after archives are added up, there
On 6 September 2014 05:49, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Fundamentally, there's one key question to answer for talk pages in
Wikimedia projects: Do we want discussions to occur in document mode,
or in a structured comment mode?
I rather think the more fundamental question is (for any
Hi,
That seems a sensible plan. I am thinking of the help desk on Commons
(in English or in another language) as a good testbed.
Regards,
Yann
2014-09-06 17:09 GMT+05:30 Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org:
On Saturday, September 6, 2014, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
So we think a
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 September 2014 07:11, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
We includes anyone who wants to be involved and does not exclude him or
herself by his or her own actions or choices.
Thanks,
GerardM
Refer to the signature Erik used. The rationale that employees when acting
as employees somehow are to be wearing a hat of an unpaid volunteer was
worn out when superprotect was invented.
On 6 Sep 2014 14:22, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Fæ
On 06.09.2014 13:39, Quim Gil wrote:
On Saturday, September 6, 2014, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
So we think a
support forum like the Teahouse, and its equivalent in other
languages
may be a good place to start -- provided the hosts agree that there
are no dealbreaker issues for
Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Potential requirements to join the Flow self-service:
* At least one tech ambassador volunteering to act as contact between the
project and the Flow team, summarizing community feedback in the channels
agreed (mw:Talk:Flow, etc).
* Community agreement
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
snip
Sincerely,
Erik
[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2003-July/011069.html
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=LiquidThreadsoldid=100760
[3]
Congratulations to Wikimedia Belgium and everyone involved.
Ali Haidar Khan
FDC Member
Treasurer, Wikimedia Bangladesh
On Sep 6, 2014 11:28 AM, Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu
wrote:
Congrats from Wikimedia Hungary!
Balázs
2014.09.02. 19:46, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
Hoi,
The lack of usability that is inherent in the current tools is enough to
drive me away from editing Wikipedia. At to this the atmosphere that is all
too often just not interested in anything but vested interests and you have
a cocktail that is powerful enough to have me respond to your
Erik,
I think a lot of reasons for the document mode commenting system got
missed. But there are very good reasons we must retain that.
One huge thing is that article talk pages are not only for discussions, but
also for metadata (article assessments, history, Wikiproject data, as
examples from
Since we already know two of the changes that will come from Flow, the end of
signature personalisation and only three levels of talk indentation; Surely it
makes sense for the WMF to put those to the community now and see if it can win
consensus for those two changes?
On a less contentious
On 06/09/14 07:41, Erik Moeller wrote:
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
Why in the world would posts not be editable? I've never used a platform
where discussion was important in which users couldn't at least edit their
own posts (along with mods) where
On 06.09.2014 19:18, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
The subject is discussion / talk space not article space editing..
Yaroslav
please stay on topic..Surely Marc has more than 13 edits in all kinds
of
discussion on multiple wikis.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 September 2014 19:14, Yaroslav M.
On 09/06/2014 01:12 PM, Todd Allen wrote:
But dismissing them by setting up a (rather
ridiculous) straw man is not helpful.
I *wish* it was a strawman. How else would you qualify:
And sadly we have enough users around who try to contribute content
without having time to go through the rite of
Congratulations to Wikimedia Belgium!
User: Nhasive | @nhasive
Sysop, Bengali Wikipedia
Member, IEG, WMF
On Saturday, September 6, 2014, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Congratulations to Wikimedia Belgium and everyone involved.
Ali Haidar Khan
FDC Member
Treasurer, Wikimedia
(The self-service suggestion and the opinions below are mine, posted here
with the best of my community intentions.)
Hi Yaroslav,
On Saturday, September 6, 2014, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pute...@mccme.ru'); wrote:
actually, this is exactly what is
Hi,
I am not a mobile user. So for the first time, I used the Mobile App
on a Samsung S4 to upload a few pictures. I am quite disappointed, to
say the least. I stopped counting how many times the application
crashed while uploading just a few pictures. Then in reviewing my
uploads, I can't see
Hello all,
I did a couple if simple tests on MediaWiki on Flow pages with often
occurring edits. The tests failed.
I am an admin on Commons, and I regularly have to remove an image on a talk
page because it is for example a violation of copyright. I see no way to
remove the copyright violation
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:
Erik,
One huge thing is that article talk pages are not only for discussions, but
also for metadata (article assessments, history, Wikiproject data, as
examples from the English Wikipedia). The top of the talk page also, on
On 06.09.2014 23:14, Romaine Wiki wrote:
Hello all,
I did a couple if simple tests on MediaWiki on Flow pages with often
occurring edits. The tests failed.
...
So, there is flow, and instead of the community can work with it as it
needs to work with, it does not flow but got stuck...
To
Hi,
I forgot to mention that we use a lot of template messages on talk pages to
inform users about something. In a part of these templates we automatically
add categories because we want to track the users who have problematic
behaviour. Testing this by adding a category to a message in Flow
On 6 September 2014 15:33, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Flow doesn't automatically update template output -- it retains the
output as it was when the user posted the comment. We can argue
whether that's good or bad behavior, but it's worth doing so in the
context of real examples.
Arbitration report: ''Media viewer'' case is suspended
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-09-03/Arbitration_report
Featured content: 1882 Ã 5 in gold, and thruppence more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-09-03/Featured_content
Op-ed:
2014-09-07 0:33 GMT+02:00 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
I am an admin on Commons, and I regularly have to remove an image on a
talk
page because it is for example a violation of copyright. I see no way to
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
There is one notable exception to the above, which is talk page header
templates. One expects updates to a template used as a talk page header to
update every page the template is currently transcluded on, which is not
I'm not going to reply in-line here, because I think there's been an
undoubtedly unintentional missing of the point here. Instead I will tell a
story about a friend of mine.
Some years ago, when her children were 3 and 4, their family had a lovely
traditional Christmas Day, but something felt
2014-09-06 1:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com
wrote:
IMO the WMF should stop focusing on English Wikipedia as a target
deploy site, and stop allowing its product management team and WMF
staff in
Today the Society of Professional Journalists updated its Code of
Ethics in two ways pertinent to wikimedians and Wikimedia projects:
1. The term journalist has been replaced with references to
journalism in areas that were seen to perpetuate the idea that the
practice of journalism requires
rik, I appreciate your engaging with this *early* enough for design
decisions to be adjusted before Flow gets to major rollouts.
Romaine, if the Dutch uses of features like templates are not being taken
into account in how features are designed, I suggest contacting the
Engineering community
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
rik, I appreciate your engaging with this *early* enough for design
decisions to be adjusted before Flow gets to major rollouts.
Romaine, if the Dutch uses of features like templates are not being taken
into account in how
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
..last July...
July 2013, for clarity.
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Wikimedia Foundation
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Erik Möller wrote:
It's [Flow is] a system in early development, and has never been
advertised as anything else.
==
*This statement is simply not true.*
See the WMF's 2014-15 annual plan:
https://archive.org/details/WikimediaFoundation2014-15AnnualPlan
Page 20 (DIRECT QUOTE FOLLOWS):
On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-09-06 1:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com
wrote:
IMO the WMF should stop focusing on English Wikipedia as a target
Tim, I read that a bit differently.
Flow is an *experimental* but already feature
rich alternative...
We will aim to cover one major set of new deployments per quarter,
*carefully picking use cases*.
This looks to me like the kind of incremental rollout that is appropriate.
The idea of users
Hi Yann, most of the issues you're describing sound like straight-up bugs.
When it comes to Android, it helps to know about issues that affect
some models but may not come up on the model/version that the
developer is using for testing. I think it's safe to say that the S4
is a '''must work'''
These are just assertions, however. I liked your earlier comments
because they are testable against the architecture (even if the
current implementation, early as it is, will fail many of these
tests). What real world needs cannot be met by a comment-centric
architecture for .. commenting?
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